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They are already losing the lead on the EV market to BYD: https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-delivered-1-81-million-cars-globally-in-2023-hitting-full-yea

by epups 3y ago

They are already losing the lead on the EV market to BYD: https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-delivered-1-81-million-cars-globally-in-2023-hitting-full-year-target-2bcc396b https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-delivered-1-81-mill... I personally think this prediction is grounded. It has been over-promising and under-delivering for a while, and Musk has gone from a money printing machine to someone perceived as toxic/erratic. They will face difficulties in a scenario where competitors can make better, cheaper cars, and their stock market value is not inflated to compensate for that.

resolutebat 3y ago
I'm really having trouble understanding how a company with the best selling car on the entire planet (more Model Ys sold than Toyota Corollas or RAV4s in 2023) can be accused of "under-delivering".
- simiones 3y ago
  Under-delivering is always compared to your promises. And they significantly over-promise, and, thus, consistently under-deliver. Especially at the company level - look at the Cybertruck and electric trucks - way over schedule, under powered, and under-delivering on every single metric they claimed originally. FSD is the other major example - which has been "fully autonomous safer than a human driver by the end of this year" for 5+ years already, and is none of those things in practice. Also, while the sales are nothing to scoff at for such an expensive car, Tesla is still a small player in the world car market. Toyota sells more cars in the USA alone than Tesla sells worldwide (but much cheaper).
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    No other manufacturer comes close to Tesla's autonomy so it's not like people are gonna go and choose a competitor over that. Cybertruck, likewise, is amazing, so it really doesn't matter what the promise was as long as the product remains the best on the market, and sells. And their cars sell. Really well.

by epups 3y ago

resolutebat 3y ago

I'm really having trouble understanding how a company with the best selling car on the entire planet (more Model Ys sold than Toyota Corollas or RAV4s in 2023) can be accused of "under-delivering".

simiones 3y ago
Under-delivering is always compared to your promises. And they significantly over-promise, and, thus, consistently under-deliver. Especially at the company level - look at the Cybertruck and electric trucks - way over schedule, under powered, and under-delivering on every single metric they claimed originally. FSD is the other major example - which has been "fully autonomous safer than a human driver by the end of this year" for 5+ years already, and is none of those things in practice. Also, while the sales are nothing to scoff at for such an expensive car, Tesla is still a small player in the world car market. Toyota sells more cars in the USA alone than Tesla sells worldwide (but much cheaper).
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  No other manufacturer comes close to Tesla's autonomy so it's not like people are gonna go and choose a competitor over that. Cybertruck, likewise, is amazing, so it really doesn't matter what the promise was as long as the product remains the best on the market, and sells. And their cars sell. Really well.