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The Twins Obsession

36 points by lermontov 3y ago

saghm 3y ago
I thought this was going to be about the twins who refused to sell the twins.com domain to the Minnesota Twins baseball team[0], but it looks like they did finally sell a couple of years ago[1]. I'm sure they mad a lot of money from that, but I found the idea of an average pair of twins holding onto it for nostalgia amusing, so I can't help but be a little disappointed. At least Ray's Boathouse still is holding onto rays.com, so I can enjoy tidbits like this[2]: > It's been at least a decade since the MLB has asked to purchase Rays.com. However, Zeller's said if the league were to come back around he'd tell them the name's not for sale. > "I'd probably take them upstairs sit on the deck, talk about baseball a little bit. Have some beer, discuss how the Mariners are going to beat the [Rays] in the playoffs and how we're going to win the World Series this year. There wouldn't be any discussion about selling the name. It's not for sale," Zellers said. [0]: https://grantland.com/features/the-website-mlb-couldnt-buy/ https://grantland.com/features/the-website-mlb-couldnt-buy/ [1]: https://domainnamewire.com/2022/08/22/major-league-baseball-acquires-twins-com-domain-name/ https://domainnamewire.com/2022/08/22/major-league-baseball-... [2]: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/rays-boathouse-ballard-mlb-name/281-6d9a2cc4-65ab-488c-8438-ab066ea5b179 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/rays-boathouse-ball...
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- renewiltord 3y ago
  Made me check out Nissan.com and it looks like Uzi Nissan died of COVID-19 but the DNS is still pointing to his NS and failing to resolve.
aarondf 3y ago
We have two sets of boy girl twins. One set is two and a half years old and one set is two months old. Lemme tell ya... it's incredibly difficult. We have a lot of help and it's still incredibly difficult. I'm excited for when they're older because I think it's going to be amazing, we just gotta survive. And I'm excited for our kids, because it seems awesome to be a twin! And have twin siblings!
- KMag 3y ago
  As a father of a 2.5 year old boy and a pair of 0.5 year-old identical twin boys, I hear you. Having 3 kids under 3 is at least 5 times as difficult as having the one. Two sets of twins must be even harder. Hopefully you're getting plenty of help from grandparents. Every day, we just keep telling ourselves that this is going to all be worth it later, but it's exhausting for now.
  - thinkingtoilet 3y ago
    I always tell people having two kids is ten times harder than having one. I literally can't imagine having two sets of twins that young! Also, it's my little personal crusade to normalize talking about not enjoying being a parent. It's totally ok and totally normal to have these feelings. It's ok to not enjoy this. It's not ok to absolve yourself from the responsibility you sighed up for, but it's ok not to enjoy it. Especially when they're young.
    - KMag 3y ago
      I applaud your efforts. My wife often feels quite bad about feeling exhausted and frustrated, because she doesn't really believe me that it's a completely normal reaction to caring for 3 kids under 3 years old. Feeling exhausted and frustrated with 3 or 4 young kids does not make you a bad parent or mean you're not cut out for parenting. It's a normal human reaction. People just don't talk about it much.
      - thinkingtoilet 3y ago
        I go as far to say that minus a few people with god-like patience if you're not tired and exhausted from parenting and regularly don't enjoy it, you're probably not a good parent. It's like my boomer dad telling me to have more kids and how wonderful it is. Sure, it's super fun when you never change a diaper, never cook, never clean, never watch the kids alone, never take them to an appointment, never help with potty training, etc...
    - munificent 3y ago
jedberg 3y ago
Identical twins are super interesting to researchers, because when studying the human body, it's really hard to get a control group. Even fraternal twins are interesting to sociologists if they were raised in the same household, since for the most part they would have the same or very similar lived childhood experience.
- KMag 3y ago
  One thing I found out after my wife and I discovered we were having identical twins is that manipulation of embryos increases the odds of having identical twins. In our case, the embryos were frozen, thawed, a few cells removed for pre-implantation genetic testing, frozen, thawed, and implanted again. Two embryos were implanted, but only one took hold. Then the one that took hold decided to become two people.
  - jedberg 3y ago
    When we did IVF we were warned of the same thing! In fact, when you see an older couple with young twins, it's a really good bet that they did IVF. :) (We ended up getting singles twice, but we like to tell people they started as twins until we cryogenically froze one of them for two years)
    - KMag 3y ago
      Fraternal twins are much more common than identical twins, because most IVF clinics will implant two embryos at a time, due to the chances of implantation failure. (Also, for non-IVF, fraternal twins are also much more common, for different reasons.)
      - jedberg 3y ago
        Our clinic offered a buy one get one free deal instead -- if the first implantation is unsuccessful, the second one is free, just to avoid that risk.
      - rrdharan 3y ago
PaulHoule 3y ago
See "twinship transference" https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/self-psychology https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/self-p... which I think represents some of the feelings that people imagine around twins.
DiggyJohnson 3y ago
I'm a triplet - seems weird to grow up with siblings that are different ages. I have noticed my whole life by how much people are excited by it. I'm one of three boys, and many folks treat the fact that we are triplets with an air of mystery. It can be pretty funny sometimes.
programjames 3y ago
What is with all the objectification? Twins are people too. Even just the title, "The Twins Obsession", screams "objects, not people!", but then the next 80% of the article discusses sets of twins as if they're some curious and exotic bird to look at. Also, what is with this misconception: "When twins aren’t being regarded as carbon copies, they are slotted (or slot themselves) into opposing roles." Dude, any vector can be projected onto another one, with an orthogonal ("opposing") component left over. You might as well say, "When Juan and Ji-hoon aren't being regarded as carbon copies, they are slotted (or slot themselves) into opposing roles."
Jerry2 3y ago
I have two sisters and they're identical twins so I've read a lot about twins and they've told me numerous factoids and research into twins that they've come across. What's fascinating is how various cultures treated twins. For example, the West African tribe Yoruba loved twins and worshiped them as Gods [1] while Australian Aboriginals had one them killed because they thought it carried an evil spirit [2]. [1] https://cwp.missouri.edu/2014/twins-in-west-african-culture-and-society-of-the-iron-age/ https://cwp.missouri.edu/2014/twins-in-west-african-culture-... [2] https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-traditional-aboriginal-society/ https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-trad...
renox 3y ago
One annoying things with twins is that most doctors are clueless about their development differences.. At some point in time our twin boys didn't talk much and didn't interact much with other people? Doctors: they may be autistic, you have to test them, some test later: they are autistic --> panic and a lot of reading later: doctor, this big phone study in England has shown that twins (especially boys) speak at a later age. Couldn't this be the explanation? No, let's prepare specialised training.. Of course as a parent, you cannot take the risk so you do the specialised training, you are destabilised, etc. And .. finally our kids are 100% "normal"! False positive can happen, but IMHO doctors doesn't know much about the developmental differences of twins so this kind of thing happen more often to family with twins..

36 points by lermontov 3y ago

I thought this was going to be about the twins who refused to sell the twins.com domain to the Minnesota Twins baseball team[0], but it looks like they did finally sell a couple of years ago[1]. I'm sure they mad a lot of money from that, but I found the idea of an average pair of twins holding onto it for nostalgia amusing, so I can't help but be a little disappointed. At least Ray's Boathouse still is holding onto rays.com, so I can enjoy tidbits like this[2]: > It's been at least a decade since the MLB has asked to purchase Rays.com. However, Zeller's said if the league were to come back around he'd tell them the name's not for sale. > "I'd probably take them upstairs sit on the deck, talk about baseball a little bit. Have some beer, discuss how the Mariners are going to beat the [Rays] in the playoffs and how we're going to win the World Series this year. There wouldn't be any discussion about selling the name. It's not for sale," Zellers said. [0]: https://grantland.com/features/the-website-mlb-couldnt-buy/ https://grantland.com/features/the-website-mlb-couldnt-buy/ [1]: https://domainnamewire.com/2022/08/22/major-league-baseball-acquires-twins-com-domain-name/ https://domainnamewire.com/2022/08/22/major-league-baseball-... [2]: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/rays-boathouse-ballard-mlb-name/281-6d9a2cc4-65ab-488c-8438-ab066ea5b179 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/rays-boathouse-ball...

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renewiltord 3y ago
Made me check out Nissan.com and it looks like Uzi Nissan died of COVID-19 but the DNS is still pointing to his NS and failing to resolve.

aarondf 3y ago

We have two sets of boy girl twins. One set is two and a half years old and one set is two months old. Lemme tell ya... it's incredibly difficult. We have a lot of help and it's still incredibly difficult. I'm excited for when they're older because I think it's going to be amazing, we just gotta survive. And I'm excited for our kids, because it seems awesome to be a twin! And have twin siblings!

KMag 3y ago
As a father of a 2.5 year old boy and a pair of 0.5 year-old identical twin boys, I hear you. Having 3 kids under 3 is at least 5 times as difficult as having the one. Two sets of twins must be even harder. Hopefully you're getting plenty of help from grandparents. Every day, we just keep telling ourselves that this is going to all be worth it later, but it's exhausting for now.
- thinkingtoilet 3y ago
  I always tell people having two kids is ten times harder than having one. I literally can't imagine having two sets of twins that young! Also, it's my little personal crusade to normalize talking about not enjoying being a parent. It's totally ok and totally normal to have these feelings. It's ok to not enjoy this. It's not ok to absolve yourself from the responsibility you sighed up for, but it's ok not to enjoy it. Especially when they're young.
  - KMag 3y ago
    I applaud your efforts. My wife often feels quite bad about feeling exhausted and frustrated, because she doesn't really believe me that it's a completely normal reaction to caring for 3 kids under 3 years old. Feeling exhausted and frustrated with 3 or 4 young kids does not make you a bad parent or mean you're not cut out for parenting. It's a normal human reaction. People just don't talk about it much.
    - thinkingtoilet 3y ago
      I go as far to say that minus a few people with god-like patience if you're not tired and exhausted from parenting and regularly don't enjoy it, you're probably not a good parent. It's like my boomer dad telling me to have more kids and how wonderful it is. Sure, it's super fun when you never change a diaper, never cook, never clean, never watch the kids alone, never take them to an appointment, never help with potty training, etc...
  - munificent 3y ago

jedberg 3y ago

Identical twins are super interesting to researchers, because when studying the human body, it's really hard to get a control group. Even fraternal twins are interesting to sociologists if they were raised in the same household, since for the most part they would have the same or very similar lived childhood experience.

KMag 3y ago
One thing I found out after my wife and I discovered we were having identical twins is that manipulation of embryos increases the odds of having identical twins. In our case, the embryos were frozen, thawed, a few cells removed for pre-implantation genetic testing, frozen, thawed, and implanted again. Two embryos were implanted, but only one took hold. Then the one that took hold decided to become two people.
- jedberg 3y ago
  When we did IVF we were warned of the same thing! In fact, when you see an older couple with young twins, it's a really good bet that they did IVF. :) (We ended up getting singles twice, but we like to tell people they started as twins until we cryogenically froze one of them for two years)
  - KMag 3y ago
    Fraternal twins are much more common than identical twins, because most IVF clinics will implant two embryos at a time, due to the chances of implantation failure. (Also, for non-IVF, fraternal twins are also much more common, for different reasons.)
    - jedberg 3y ago
      Our clinic offered a buy one get one free deal instead -- if the first implantation is unsuccessful, the second one is free, just to avoid that risk.
    - rrdharan 3y ago

PaulHoule 3y ago

See "twinship transference" https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/self-psychology https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/self-p... which I think represents some of the feelings that people imagine around twins.

DiggyJohnson 3y ago

I'm a triplet - seems weird to grow up with siblings that are different ages. I have noticed my whole life by how much people are excited by it. I'm one of three boys, and many folks treat the fact that we are triplets with an air of mystery. It can be pretty funny sometimes.

programjames 3y ago

What is with all the objectification? Twins are people too. Even just the title, "The Twins Obsession", screams "objects, not people!", but then the next 80% of the article discusses sets of twins as if they're some curious and exotic bird to look at. Also, what is with this misconception: "When twins aren’t being regarded as carbon copies, they are slotted (or slot themselves) into opposing roles." Dude, any vector can be projected onto another one, with an orthogonal ("opposing") component left over. You might as well say, "When Juan and Ji-hoon aren't being regarded as carbon copies, they are slotted (or slot themselves) into opposing roles."

Jerry2 3y ago

I have two sisters and they're identical twins so I've read a lot about twins and they've told me numerous factoids and research into twins that they've come across. What's fascinating is how various cultures treated twins. For example, the West African tribe Yoruba loved twins and worshiped them as Gods [1] while Australian Aboriginals had one them killed because they thought it carried an evil spirit [2]. [1] https://cwp.missouri.edu/2014/twins-in-west-african-culture-and-society-of-the-iron-age/ https://cwp.missouri.edu/2014/twins-in-west-african-culture-... [2] https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-traditional-aboriginal-society/ https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-trad...

renox 3y ago

One annoying things with twins is that most doctors are clueless about their development differences.. At some point in time our twin boys didn't talk much and didn't interact much with other people? Doctors: they may be autistic, you have to test them, some test later: they are autistic --> panic and a lot of reading later: doctor, this big phone study in England has shown that twins (especially boys) speak at a later age. Couldn't this be the explanation? No, let's prepare specialised training.. Of course as a parent, you cannot take the risk so you do the specialised training, you are destabilised, etc. And .. finally our kids are 100% "normal"! False positive can happen, but IMHO doctors doesn't know much about the developmental differences of twins so this kind of thing happen more often to family with twins..