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> If nothing else, we clearly don't physically exist for most of eternity and any action taken to delay inevitable death is so logically futile doesn't make any
by jncfhnb 3y ago
> If nothing else, we clearly don't physically exist for most of eternity and any action taken to delay inevitable death is so logically futile doesn't make any sense to do so without some sort of faith-based leap.
What about “I enjoy living”
- roenxi 3y agoThen congratulations; you've started to tease out the framework that makes up your own personal faith. Based on what you've said so far you aren't a committed Buddhist (their official answer afaik is "to reduce the suffering of others" and they view "because I like living" as a misguided justification).
- dartos 3y agoIf any justification for living is a faith, and your argument is that you can’t exist as ego without a justification for living, then using words like “spiritual belief” or “faith” just alienates people who are atheists. Why not just say “justification for living”
- roenxi 3y agoI'm an atheist. I assure you I'm not alienated by the concept of faith. There are entire religious orders based on atheist beliefs (I'm thinking of buddhists, again - they make for good counterexamples on religious topics). > Why not just say “justification for living” Because we have several perfectly good words for it. Faith. Beliefs.
- jncfhnb 3y agoWords with enormous baggage are perhaps a stupid choice
- herval 3y agoFaith has specific meaning, so does belief. You might go a bit longer if you try to understand the words you’re erroneously signifying
- roenxi 3y agoAre you suggesting that there are words which do not have a specific meaning? If you want to break out a different dictionary be my guest, but faith means, and I quote [0] the first entry in the Cambridge dictionary, "great trust or confidence in something or someone". Spiritual, FYI, is "relating to deep feelings and beliefs, especially religious beliefs". [0] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/faith https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/faith
- jncfhnb 3y agoNobody gives a shit about the dictionary. Framing other people’s worldview as one of faith and spirituality because you think you have a clever semantic argument is not wisdom. If you can’t tell that this line of reasoning is likely to induce annoyance and misunderstanding, then you’re demonstrating social ineptitude more than anything. If you ever have to explain that the words you’re using don’t mean what others think they mean in order to maintain your points validity, you’re not discussing anything of worth. You are discussing semantics. like I said, your view is just porno. Which is a perfectly cromulent descriptor for some definitions that I don’t care to explain. And no, don’t bring up the authority of the dictionary. Because we are now here discussing definitions rather than actual concepts so any rightness you had is forfeit to the fact that people don’t agree with your semantics.
- roenxi 3y ago> ... like I said, your view is just porno ... If it makes you feel any better, the Buddhist monks take vows of celebacy and swear not to discharge semen. They really are the best for counterexamples. Unless you have very odd tastes in porn. Of course, a lot of serious spiritual types do similar things. I'm not as sure what the specific vows of the Catholics are.
- jncfhnb 3y agoNo you don’t get it. The semen discharge is just an aspect of porno that you haven’t consumed yet as part of your growing world view.
- jncfhnb 3y agoSounds to me like your whole world view is just beginning to understand that it’s just an ingredient of a porno script and a cherry pie recipe.
- herval 3y agoYou sure invented a funny definition for faith, that you seem to conveniently fit anything to. Things are much simpler than you imagine - maybe in your mental framework, life is impossible without superstition. Doesn’t mean it is - it certainly isn’t for many.