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Bad UI/UX and hardware support. There is no incentive for these to be fixed by the community hence people will not switch. For smartphones where Google fixed

Bad UI/UX and hardware support. There is no incentive for these to be fixed by the community hence people will not switch. For smartphones where Google fixed them, people adopted overnight. In data centers where companies have the incentive to fix hardware support of raid controllers etc, and UI is not important, we also saw complete dominance.

lousken 3y ago
bad UI/UX? I saw windows 11 having a terrible UI and people still use it hw support? what kind of hardware? first party support for gaming accessories is far from great, but unless you want to do macros on your gaming hardware with wayland, the rest for a regular user is pretty much fully covered
- blueflow 3y ago
  I tried to switch from my i3wm setup to a stock Ubuntu/GNOME and found it the same kind of unusable as Windows - GUI elements do not tell what they are about to do, implicit gestures (you have to google it to learn them), slow input latency. Quite a frustrating experience.
- whatever1 3y ago
  My litmus test is to fresh install a distribution set it up. The moment I have to use terminal to set up my machine I stop, it means the UI is still incomplete. Imagine if a cellphone required you to open a terminal to configure your touchscreen or the sleep states. It’s that bad for a newbie. Neither windows or android have ever required me to use terminal to set them up.
  - realusername 3y ago
    > Neither windows or android have ever required me to use terminal to set them up. Well I do, the first thing I'm running on a fresh Windows is a Windows debloater script so ironically I'm using the terminal faster after setup on Windows compared to something like PopOs. It's funny since it's the kind of manual setup you had to do 10 years ago for Linux distributions and now it's the opposite.
  - dingaling 3y ago
    The Windows equivalent is "open regedit"
  - lousken 3y ago
    both android and windows won't allow you to uninstall some applications without command line - try removing edge or your preinstalled bloat from your android phone + if you are not using winget or wingetui you are missing out secondly - microsoft has been removing stuff from the control panel and either moving it to registry only or to the new settings on a random place for quite some time now and figuring out where some items went can be painful enabling s3 sleep? was only in registry for a while defering windows feature updates/new windows versions? gpo or registry - is that any better than a command line? autoreboots same thing and many others also when huge features updates came out couple years ago, some of my settings got reset, so having a script that can return my pc to a desired state is prefferable to fiding all those settings again
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  > what kind of hardware? GPUs are still in the "check some site if it works before you buy" territory and I hear nvidia is stil kinda adversarial. The second biggest one is tablets and 2 in 1 laptops. It's a full computer form factor that has piss poor support, albeit you still get a linux subsystem with win11 and chromeOS. On minor stuff, trackpads aren't great. TBF Apple set the bar so high all other platform become disappointing, but it should be mentionned.
  - lousken 3y ago
    trackpads are getting there, slowly but surely never owned a 2 in 1 so I can't comment on that, but my personal experience regarding GPUs is quite positive, at least since last year I don't have any issues but i do agree it was a nightmare till very recently (and there may be still some issues with older environments, but at this point, my opinion is that running LTS version for more than 2 years is bad, since you're missing out on a lot of new things)
- attentive 3y ago
  Video hardware decoding in the browser. Doing software decoding is just silly waste of electricity. I know, you can achieve it, in some browser, but not the other, may be.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  I'm not necessarily a fan of Windows 11 Explorer, but I still find it several lightyears better than any of the Linux DEs. Even in spite of the infamous schizophrenia that's been evident in Explorer since Windows 8 and 10, it's still more consistent and reliable than Linux DEs.
  - lousken 3y ago
    can you provide an example? if I don't combine Gnome and KDE apps I find linux much more consistent than windows
firebaze 3y ago
It's almost the opposite in 2024.
MattPalmer1086 3y ago
I'd dispute bad UI. I find Gnome far nicer to use than Windows, which has a completely inconsistent UI. Hardware support, maybe for some things, but again, Linux supports old hardware far better in my experience. I think it's mostly that Windows is the de facto business standard, and for home people just buy what they already know.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  > Linux supports old hardware far better in my experience. This is the crux of it: linux really shines for older paradigms and protocols. It makes it a great OS if what you're doing was cuting edge decades ago. Another thread mentions printing. Use devs rely on core tools day day out thare often older than us. Most people got used to computers before touch, and have absolutely not need for a touch screen, etc. Same for UI really. But if you'te target is something forming right now, or bringing new paradigms (let's say VR games), going linux will mean you either create everything you need for yourself almost on your own, or move to something else (probably Windows)

lousken 3y ago

bad UI/UX? I saw windows 11 having a terrible UI and people still use it hw support? what kind of hardware? first party support for gaming accessories is far from great, but unless you want to do macros on your gaming hardware with wayland, the rest for a regular user is pretty much fully covered

blueflow 3y ago
I tried to switch from my i3wm setup to a stock Ubuntu/GNOME and found it the same kind of unusable as Windows - GUI elements do not tell what they are about to do, implicit gestures (you have to google it to learn them), slow input latency. Quite a frustrating experience.
whatever1 3y ago
My litmus test is to fresh install a distribution set it up. The moment I have to use terminal to set up my machine I stop, it means the UI is still incomplete. Imagine if a cellphone required you to open a terminal to configure your touchscreen or the sleep states. It’s that bad for a newbie. Neither windows or android have ever required me to use terminal to set them up.
- realusername 3y ago
  > Neither windows or android have ever required me to use terminal to set them up. Well I do, the first thing I'm running on a fresh Windows is a Windows debloater script so ironically I'm using the terminal faster after setup on Windows compared to something like PopOs. It's funny since it's the kind of manual setup you had to do 10 years ago for Linux distributions and now it's the opposite.
- dingaling 3y ago
  The Windows equivalent is "open regedit"
- lousken 3y ago
  both android and windows won't allow you to uninstall some applications without command line - try removing edge or your preinstalled bloat from your android phone + if you are not using winget or wingetui you are missing out secondly - microsoft has been removing stuff from the control panel and either moving it to registry only or to the new settings on a random place for quite some time now and figuring out where some items went can be painful enabling s3 sleep? was only in registry for a while defering windows feature updates/new windows versions? gpo or registry - is that any better than a command line? autoreboots same thing and many others also when huge features updates came out couple years ago, some of my settings got reset, so having a script that can return my pc to a desired state is prefferable to fiding all those settings again
makeitdouble 3y ago
> what kind of hardware? GPUs are still in the "check some site if it works before you buy" territory and I hear nvidia is stil kinda adversarial. The second biggest one is tablets and 2 in 1 laptops. It's a full computer form factor that has piss poor support, albeit you still get a linux subsystem with win11 and chromeOS. On minor stuff, trackpads aren't great. TBF Apple set the bar so high all other platform become disappointing, but it should be mentionned.
- lousken 3y ago
  trackpads are getting there, slowly but surely never owned a 2 in 1 so I can't comment on that, but my personal experience regarding GPUs is quite positive, at least since last year I don't have any issues but i do agree it was a nightmare till very recently (and there may be still some issues with older environments, but at this point, my opinion is that running LTS version for more than 2 years is bad, since you're missing out on a lot of new things)
attentive 3y ago
Video hardware decoding in the browser. Doing software decoding is just silly waste of electricity. I know, you can achieve it, in some browser, but not the other, may be.
Dalewyn 3y ago
I'm not necessarily a fan of Windows 11 Explorer, but I still find it several lightyears better than any of the Linux DEs. Even in spite of the infamous schizophrenia that's been evident in Explorer since Windows 8 and 10, it's still more consistent and reliable than Linux DEs.
- lousken 3y ago
  can you provide an example? if I don't combine Gnome and KDE apps I find linux much more consistent than windows

firebaze 3y ago

It's almost the opposite in 2024.

MattPalmer1086 3y ago

I'd dispute bad UI. I find Gnome far nicer to use than Windows, which has a completely inconsistent UI. Hardware support, maybe for some things, but again, Linux supports old hardware far better in my experience. I think it's mostly that Windows is the de facto business standard, and for home people just buy what they already know.

makeitdouble 3y ago
> Linux supports old hardware far better in my experience. This is the crux of it: linux really shines for older paradigms and protocols. It makes it a great OS if what you're doing was cuting edge decades ago. Another thread mentions printing. Use devs rely on core tools day day out thare often older than us. Most people got used to computers before touch, and have absolutely not need for a touch screen, etc. Same for UI really. But if you'te target is something forming right now, or bringing new paradigms (let's say VR games), going linux will mean you either create everything you need for yourself almost on your own, or move to something else (probably Windows)