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> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doe
by hk__2 3y ago
> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.
How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?
- mhitza 3y agoBecause it was the counter culture, eg Black Panthers, youth communist parties
- throwaway8877 3y agoI take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx. I also hope that you have learned about civil rights movement of the black people and Martin Luther King. So which one of all of the four has the support of a large superstate with an extensive spy network?
- throwaway8877 3y agoAnd what comes to McCarthy then he had every right to be extremely paranoid about the activities of Soviet Union in attempts to secretly influence American politics from the within. The work of American counter intelligence agencies is a clear proof of it. Recommended read https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/was-mccarthy-right-about-the-left/a0dc6726-e2fd-4a31-bcdd-5f352acbf5de/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/w...
- mistrial9 3y agono because a healthy politics does include alternative views. It is the unhealthy security mindset that becomes inflexible @! and does anyone now support the activity of Senator Joe McCarthy, honestly?
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- hk__2 3y ago> I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. The US are just one of the 195 countries in the World; don’t assume that everyone on the Internet is 1- living in the US and/or 2- familiar with the US culture as if it were the center of the world.
- throwaway8877 3y agoThe context here is clearly US - hint: FBI.
- hk__2 3y agoClear for you. https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
- throwaway8877 3y agoI'm not from US, but fair enough, just the article is very obviously about US if you cared to read it even superficially. But now I'm curious from where you are from and how you don't know about civil rights movement of blacks in US. Does the name Martin Luther King tell you anything?
- hk__2 3y agoThe comment talked about "world revolution" and a "wide spy network" so it was not immediately clear to me that the infiltration you were taking about where only on domestic soil like what the article was about.
- throwaway8877 3y agoOK. The only communist "world power" at the time was USSR (Soviet Union) that was factually dominated and controlled by Russia. They had from the very beginning (revolution in Russia) dreamed about the world domination. They tried already right after the revolution to overtake Europe but were stopped by Poland. Next attempt was during WW2 but they were first stopped by Germany and then by US (partially, as even part of Germany was occupied by them). USSR had very wide spy network and they had considerably infiltrated US. China was also overtaken by communists and had some influence among some naive Western intellectuals but I don't know about direct influence in US (maybe it existed, I'm just not aware of it). These days of course both Russia and China are actively attempting to extend their influence through spy networks or by manipulations in social media (and yes, there are also obvious shill accounts here).
- krapp 3y ago>How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”? You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.
- underlipton 3y agoIt truly does seem like it would be an easy thing to ascertain just from knowing about the existence of the Black National Anthem, the Communist Manifesto, and Howl. Then again, it's also characteristic of mainstream American culture to try to discourage people from acknowledging them.
- ericfr11 3y agoAmerican culture is, indeed, a mix of culture. It exists only thanks to external influences. Black culture is at the heart of American culture (jazz, soul, and more music), great athletes in the best team...
- throwaway8877 3y agoAnd it's good. The point was that part of it was clearly a counter culture in opposition of white dominated main culture. This is completely something that a state level adversary may attempt to infiltrate given an opportunity. And they tried and keep trying. A little recent refresher https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u-s-racial-divisions-long-before-2016-and-black-lives-matter https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u...
- busterarm 3y agoOr perhaps they were born in the last twenty or so years. In America, today, Black culture IS culture and communism isn't viewed critically for the murderously-bad idea that it is. Most of the immigrants that fled here from communism are either old, boring or dead. Kids today rarely have the benefit of speaking to older folks who fled Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, the USSR and others. Instead they're following influencers on Twitch and Youtube who have extremely privileged lives speaking from ignorance about communism with no pushback.
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