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I love OpenBSD and have 5.0 installed on a router. But man they are old-school. Just looking at the upgrade instructions[1] brings me back to the time before pa

I love OpenBSD and have 5.0 installed on a router. But man they are old-school. Just looking at the upgrade instructions[1] brings me back to the time before package managers and makes my long for a nice "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". [1] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html

tobiasu 15y ago
Awesome, isn't it. It's transparent and works every time. Not something you can say about apt-get...
- derleth 15y ago
  It is in my experience.
- __david__ 15y ago
  "Awesome", yes. It's also going to take about an hour of my full concentration to accomplish. That's also not something I can say about apt-get...
  - hackermom 15y ago
    The upgrade procedure takes but minutes in itself. The time you take to save and then write your old configuration files back to /etc and whatnot is on your hands :) Sure, upgrading OpenBSD's core system files isn't as smooth as doing it on f.e. FreeBSD via its package manager, but it's definitely not about hours.
srl 15y ago
The last successful ubuntu upgrade I did was 10.04 (9.10 on my laptop), I think. 10.04 - 11.10 all broke (on multiple computers, in different ways) eventually requiring a liveboot and significant skill. (I'm now running arch, with significantly better results - but not perfect.) I've never had an openbsd upgrade break, even when I do it the ninja way (which I often do, being a reckless fool). Despite the longer setup time, I've found that openbsd servers end up needing far less maintenance than any others. It works well as a "fire-and-forget" operating system, a quality that seems to be lacking among the larger players. (EDIT: not disagreeing that apt-get, yum, and pacman/yaourt are nice. Just talking about how awesome OpenBSD is.)
- fulafel 15y ago
  Note that apt-get isn't a supported way to upgrade in Ubuntu. You are supposed to use "do-release-upgrade" (or "Update Manager" in the GUI).
  - srl 15y ago
    do-release-upgrade is how I did it - but it really just does apt-get underneath.
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awfabian2 15y ago
I think Theo actually encourages clean installs. It's no surprise the upgrade procedure would leave something to be desired.

tobiasu 15y ago

Awesome, isn't it. It's transparent and works every time. Not something you can say about apt-get...

derleth 15y ago
It is in my experience.
__david__ 15y ago
"Awesome", yes. It's also going to take about an hour of my full concentration to accomplish. That's also not something I can say about apt-get...
- hackermom 15y ago
  The upgrade procedure takes but minutes in itself. The time you take to save and then write your old configuration files back to /etc and whatnot is on your hands :) Sure, upgrading OpenBSD's core system files isn't as smooth as doing it on f.e. FreeBSD via its package manager, but it's definitely not about hours.

srl 15y ago

The last successful ubuntu upgrade I did was 10.04 (9.10 on my laptop), I think. 10.04 - 11.10 all broke (on multiple computers, in different ways) eventually requiring a liveboot and significant skill. (I'm now running arch, with significantly better results - but not perfect.) I've never had an openbsd upgrade break, even when I do it the ninja way (which I often do, being a reckless fool). Despite the longer setup time, I've found that openbsd servers end up needing far less maintenance than any others. It works well as a "fire-and-forget" operating system, a quality that seems to be lacking among the larger players. (EDIT: not disagreeing that apt-get, yum, and pacman/yaourt are nice. Just talking about how awesome OpenBSD is.)

fulafel 15y ago
Note that apt-get isn't a supported way to upgrade in Ubuntu. You are supposed to use "do-release-upgrade" (or "Update Manager" in the GUI).
- srl 15y ago
  do-release-upgrade is how I did it - but it really just does apt-get underneath.

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awfabian2 15y ago

I think Theo actually encourages clean installs. It's no surprise the upgrade procedure would leave something to be desired.