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How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)
- aebtebeten 3y ago> ... there must be some kind of conspiracy between communists, blacks, poets and French philosophers. If you can connect these dots, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) might be for you! (but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._United_States_Secret_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._U... )
- zozbot234 3y agoI'm pretty sure that "... there must be some kind of conspiracy" is the literal definition of a Conspiracy Theory. Nice to see that even the FBI is into that fun stuff.
- pstuart 3y agoThe FBI has a checkered history. We do need federal level policing but, like all policing, it needs to be buttressed by accountability and oversight.
- hughesjj 3y agoRip Fred Hampton. Hoover, he was a body remover.
- Exoristos 3y agoWait till you learn about RICO.
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- underlipton 3y agoAccusation, confession, etc.
- neovialogistics 3y agoAt what point in history did the FBI first begin to require aptitude tests to become an agent?
- throwaway8877 3y agoThere is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.
- pessimizer 3y ago"If you can't imagine" is a bad start. If you're imagining people obsessively dreaming about destroying you, and using the naive "blacks" to do it, you're about a millimeter away from joining the fight against "Judeo-Bolshevism."
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- hk__2 3y ago> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?
- gosub100 3y agoso anything is falsifiable if you create a board game using its components? Moon-landing conspirators unite!
- pfdietz 3y agoConspiracies can be dismissed if they are presented without convincing evidence. After all, the space of possible conspiracies is vast; all but a tiny fraction must be nonexistent.
- 082349872349872 3y agoCould it be that instead of attempting to falsify anything I had merely been attempting to promote a really fun game? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes!
- jbm 3y agoI loved that game, but in my friendless highschool youth I never found anyone interested in playing the version I had (the "New World Order" card game). I do remember the Talented and Gifted English teacher at my school randomly saw me with cards for the "John Birch Society" and "FNORD" and guffawed.
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- blindriver 3y agoI’m starting to agree that the fbi and cia need to be dismantled and something new with new leaders and workers need to replace it.
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- pessimizer 3y ago> I suspect You can just read. The most surprising thing about WWII, at least to many Nazis, is that the US and Britain didn't join the Axis. German theories about race were largely drawn from British and American sources. The US fought WWII with a racially segregated military.
- jimbob45 3y agoOoooh time to drop my favorite WW2 quote When Pearl Harbor happened, we [Roosevelt's advisors] were desperate. ... We were all in agony. The mood of the American people was obvious – they were determined that the Japanese had to be punished. We could have been forced to concentrate all our efforts on the Pacific, unable from then on to give more than purely peripheral help to Britain. It was truly astounding when Hitler declared war on us three days later. I cannot tell you our feelings of triumph. It was a totally irrational thing for him to do, and I think it saved Europe.
- pfdietz 3y agoThat was John Kenneth Galbraith, quoted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_agai...
- asveikau 3y agoWhite American culture is also kind of dominated by descendants of German immigrants. I recall seeing some historical racist media that was praising Anglo-German supremacy in contrast to Irish, southern and eastern Europeans etc. People forget this because the latter groups are all considered white now. I personally think this puts some weight into the "race is a social construct" theory. That and the existence of mixed race people, and the stories of how they and their families have been arbitrarily treated based on varying perceptions. It's all pretty absurd.
- jjackson5324 3y agoFunny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative and dismiss conspiracy theories as "crazy".
- rootusrootus 3y ago> Nowadays This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.
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- jjackson5324 3y agoThe House Select Committee on Assassinations was established to investigate the assassinations of JFK and MLK. After their investigation, they concluded that the official narrative was most likely wrong and they found a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. There were no investigations after that.. > Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations. > The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-repor...
- l3mure 3y agoFor me the real kicker from the HSCA is George Joannides: > At the HSCA, Joannides had been specifically assigned to handle queries about the DRE and its relations with the CIA. The Agency had assured the committee that he had no connection whatsoever to the matters under investigation; that, in fact, he was merely an Agency lawyer and had not been “operational” in 1963. These assurances were self-evidently false. At one point, Joannides informed the committee that the identity of the DRE’s case officer at the time of the Kennedy assassination — Joannides himself — could not be determined. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jfk-assassination-documents-national-archives.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jfk-assassination-do...
- Hikikomori 3y agohttps://youtu.be/5u7euN1HTuU?si=G3HXkWKL3KeGJKQR https://youtu.be/5u7euN1HTuU?si=G3HXkWKL3KeGJKQR Worth a watch if you are interested in this. He reconstructs the physical space and where the people were and moved over time using witness testimony.
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- dang 3y agoCamus died in 1960. That title is making its comma work too hard!
- pvg 3y agoThat comma went to Oxford, it can handle it.
- hackandthink 3y ago"Despite gathering years of NSA-worthy surveillance on the philosophers, Hoover’s agents were never able to discern the ideological program of the French. “I can’t work out,” wrote one in a note in Sartre’s file, “if he’s pro-Communist or anti-Communist." I feel the same. Lévy often seems to be a manichean ideologue, but I found his Sartre book revealing: "Levy depicts Sartre as a man who could succumb to the twentieth century’s catastrophic attraction to violence and the false messianism of its total political solutions, while also being one of the fiercest critics of its illusions and shortcomings." https://bernard-henri-levy.com/en/book/sartre/ https://bernard-henri-levy.com/en/book/sartre/
- saghm 3y ago> "Despite gathering years of NSA-worthy surveillance on the philosophers, Hoover’s agents were never able to discern the ideological program of the French. “I can’t work out,” wrote one in a note in Sartre’s file, “if he’s pro-Communist or anti-Communist." Honestly, what's crazy about that to me is the idea that he _must_ be one or the other. The idea that every writer is actively and wholeheartedly trying to advance exactly one side or the other of a geopolitical struggle is kind of silly. Maybe sometimes he thought about other stuff besides that?
- BLKNSLVR 3y agoThe article does address that: > The black-and-white, spy-vs-spy world of the FBI left little room for philosophical nuance and literary ambiguity, after all. It's classic authoritarian thinking where even the perception of a small stain ruins the entire outfit. But then, in stating the above that way I have, that could be an example of the same; putting into a small box those who put others into a small box. In defense of my argument: it is the policy and process of intelligence services and law enforcement that creates the small box thinking, not the individuals who are employed to pursue it, whilst those they are putting into the small boxes are individuals with all the many colours of opinion, subjectivity, and experience that make up their whole, and cannot be accurately small-boxed.
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- JadeNB 3y agoThe OpenCulture link points to an article http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/art-books/camus-sartre-fbi-hoover/#.Uo7ii6UkTwK http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/art-books/camus-sartre-fbi... on Prospect Magazine, but the link doesn't work. It appears to be meant to point to https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/culture/51776/the-fbi-files-on-being-and-nothingness https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/culture/51776/the-fbi-fil... .
- JustinGoldberg9 3y agoDid they investigate the CIA and the warren commission? They all looked the other way.