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Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move
- billy99k 3y agoThis tells you something: It's shitty everywhere and moving employers will most likely just get you a new set of problems.
- blisterpeanuts 3y agoIn today's climate, I would advise people not to change jobs unless it's an outstanding opportunity.
- x86x87 3y agoNo. This is backwards. Peoplw should change jobs and should optimize for better working conditions and fair treatment. Super talented people should do it right now. The time for loyalty is over! The corpos will never change their ways unless they are literally bleeding talent and money.
- billy99k 3y ago"Peoplw should change jobs and should optimize for better working conditions and fair treatment" I get that we need this, but now is not the time to do it. It's an employers market and when you leave your current job, there will be 100+ applicants waiting to replace you and you will have just as much competition finding your next job.
- x86x87 3y agoYou find your next job and after that you move. Yes, it's tough, but the whole RTO debacle allowed corpos to show their true colors.
- hypothesis 3y agoWhat makes you think that employers are not looking to replace everyone right now? It would make sense to me if there are 100x replacement queue, presumably desperate to accept lower pay, right now. All the more reasons to make a move if you can.
- mvdtnz 3y agoIn my experience, if you have a decent tenure in an organisation where institutional knowledge trumps documentation (a dysfunction, but a common one) then you're not likely to be forced out and replaced with someone cheaper. That institutional knowledge has value. > All the more reasons to make a move if you can. So that you too can be one of the job seekers "desperate to accept lower pay, right now"?
- hypothesis 3y agoI have seen that work out for some people, but I think that they intentionally contributed to said distinction to the detriment of everyone else. Best to steer clear.
- billy99k 3y agook, make your move. Reddit is filled with people that thought this way and have now been unemployed with no job in sight or were forced to take a job at reduced pay. Like waiting in the stock market, I would make my move when it's an employees market. This way, you actually have some negotiating power.
- nightowl_games 3y agoHaving low seniority in a company makes you more likely to be laid off if layoffs happen. Source: I switched jobs at the end of 2019, got a 30% pay bump, then got laid off 3 months later.
- photonbeam 3y agoNot necessarily, a longer tenure person can easily get put on the list just by being mildly disliked by the person writing the list.
- nightowl_games 3y agoYoure right, being highly disagreeable has its downsides.
- photonbeam 3y agoSimilar to being snarky, I imagine
- lulznews 3y agoSame problems, higher pay. Always Be Interviewing.
- Ancalagon 3y agoWell duh. It’s shitty everywhere. Might as well keep my options open and do shitty work for more pay at the next place.
- blisterpeanuts 3y agoI'm just one data point, but after quitting a 12-year position writing RFID related apps, I'm raising chickens and writing. There are no jobs for me; even for positions that totally align with my skills, the employers express no interest. For one thing, they get hundreds of applicants per posting. For another, DEI. One nice thing--my old employer is hiring me back on a consulting basis. Meanwhile, I'm retraining and looking into side hustles, AI-related opportunities, manufacturing (a lifelong interest). Technology as a career is not dead, but it has significantly downsized and is no longer a guaranteed job.
- pylua 3y agoI could see a future where people switch to other white collar jobs like accounting, law, and engineering. Software skills will come in handy here.
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- Havoc 3y ago> Software skills will come in handy here. Less than you think. In many of those the corporate issue machines are so locked down and the red tape so bad that just getting to a python hello world is a challenge. I’ve used coding skills in accounting maybe half a dozen times in a decade. No doubt there are exceptions but the 5 places I’ve worked for were 0 for 5
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>For another, DEI. What is DEI?
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- happytiger 3y agoThis seems more like a social commentary about job satisfaction for the career at almost 80%, but I suspect the pattern of movement that the “only way to get a significant salary upgrade is to switch jobs” is the secret pressure. There are a LOT of disincentives to moving right now, especially with coast housing stock being at record cost and such low levels. Add to the fact that employers seem to be having a great time laying everyone off, and you have a powder keg for dissatisfaction.
- twojobsoneboss 3y agoEven if you can find a sw Eng job, salaries have dropped to ~2019-2020 levels Factor in inflation since then and it’s a huge effective pay drop
- happytiger 3y agoAbsolutely, my best reading is 9 percent anfter factoring the official inflation numbers and it’s really affecting the greener staff. But it’s still double the average US knowledge worker. https://www.zdnet.com/article/tech-salaries-are-dropping-heres-whos-getting-hit-the-hardest/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/tech-salaries-are-dropping-her... I think it’s pretty unevenly distributed. Definitely affecting some segments more than others. Everyone I know who’s a general purpose software engineer is worried (almost), but everyone I know working in AI really is not. I’ve seen this show before though. This happened in 2001 and 2009 as well…
- lazyasciiart 3y agoMy signing RSUs have all vested and were not renewed, and my salary increase hasn’t matched inflation. I’m pretty sure I can end up effectively better paid by moving this year.
- Accujack 3y agoBest of luck. My pay peaked in 2001. If subsequent job moves and raises had kept up with inflation, I'd be making just under $150,000 a year today. As it stands, the job market is so poor (and my skills need updating, to be honest) I'm having trouble getting a job that pays even $80k.
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- beer_backwards 3y agomy two cents (from personal experience): Getting money when you are from low SES is not that stimulating, because the money is inevitably spent on mundane purchases: i.e. buying a new pair of school shoes or school supplies, or beef instead of chicken for a meal that week, or fixing your car. If that money would be able to be spent on anything that the child desired, then I am sure that even a lower-SES would be more excited. I fundamentally believe that the higher-SES you are, the more agency you have (especially financial), where lower-SES are in constant survival mode. It is hard to get excited by small sums of money when you know that it will just be immediately spent on boring things.
- sneed_chucker 3y agoDoes "SES" mean "socio-economic status"?
- spacemanspiff01 3y agoI think you replied to the wrong post
- beer_backwards 3y agoyou are correct
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago(2023)