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It's not only a Windows 3.11 job, it's an outsourced Windows 3.11 job! So it pays peanuts as well.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>So it pays peanuts as well. It's how software development is seen in Germany. Also, there's a labor shortage I heard. Or so the companies say.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Something something German car industry decline...
  - tauchunfall 3y ago
    That's true, but unrelated to software. When you look at the software and AI, the German car manufactors are ahead of say Tesla.
    - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
      Chinese consumers would buy ID3, but it doesn’t have karaoke
    - konschubert 3y ago
      I would consider buying a volkswagen if their software wasn't terrible.
    - kalleboo 3y ago
      Isn't MobilEye Israeli?
- tauchunfall 3y ago
  I have the feeling that's how information technology in general is seen in Germany.
Arnt 3y ago
As a rule of thumb, it'll pay about 30% more than the same position employed directly by the company. And I, uhm, have worked in the same physical office as someone who had that kind of job at that precise company. When we met, he had taken home those +30% for a little over a decade.
- Arnt 3y ago
  It's weird sometimes how you can get a risk premium for being easy to fire, but actually be very difficult to fire due to unique knowledge of some platform. Like being the only guy who can answer questions from the train repair technicians. Not going to name names, but a person like that was discovered when his employer looked for the oldest serving employee and found out that it was a contractor whose contract featured an hourly rate one usually gets for short-term contracts, like +100%. His stay had been, shall we say, extended a bit.
  - folmar 3y ago
    To be fair in Germany the major part of the risk is hiring a wrong person from the start and no way to fire them, so companies are often happy enough to have medium-term contractors.
seabass-labrax 3y ago
Where does it say what the rate is? There are articles published with some frequency, making claims like "ancient programming language $LANG is used in $SOMETHING_CRITICAL; coders paid megabucks to decipher it". Yet, this is the first time I have actually seen such an job advertisement, so I'm very curious.

>So it pays peanuts as well. It's how software development is seen in Germany. Also, there's a labor shortage I heard. Or so the companies say.

londons_explore 3y ago
Something something German car industry decline...
- tauchunfall 3y ago
  That's true, but unrelated to software. When you look at the software and AI, the German car manufactors are ahead of say Tesla.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    Chinese consumers would buy ID3, but it doesn’t have karaoke
  - konschubert 3y ago
    I would consider buying a volkswagen if their software wasn't terrible.
  - kalleboo 3y ago
    Isn't MobilEye Israeli?
tauchunfall 3y ago
I have the feeling that's how information technology in general is seen in Germany.

Arnt 3y ago

As a rule of thumb, it'll pay about 30% more than the same position employed directly by the company. And I, uhm, have worked in the same physical office as someone who had that kind of job at that precise company. When we met, he had taken home those +30% for a little over a decade.

Arnt 3y ago
It's weird sometimes how you can get a risk premium for being easy to fire, but actually be very difficult to fire due to unique knowledge of some platform. Like being the only guy who can answer questions from the train repair technicians. Not going to name names, but a person like that was discovered when his employer looked for the oldest serving employee and found out that it was a contractor whose contract featured an hourly rate one usually gets for short-term contracts, like +100%. His stay had been, shall we say, extended a bit.
- folmar 3y ago
  To be fair in Germany the major part of the risk is hiring a wrong person from the start and no way to fire them, so companies are often happy enough to have medium-term contractors.

seabass-labrax 3y ago

Where does it say what the rate is? There are articles published with some frequency, making claims like "ancient programming language $LANG is used in $SOMETHING_CRITICAL; coders paid megabucks to decipher it". Yet, this is the first time I have actually seen such an job advertisement, so I'm very curious.