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Because there was a formidable Jewish population in Israel before WW II and the horrors of the holocaust made the world understand the Jewish people must have t

by iddan 3y ago

Because there was a formidable Jewish population in Israel before WW II and the horrors of the holocaust made the world understand the Jewish people must have their own country. On the other hand, the UN wanted to give the Palestinians (which were never an independent nation before) their own country.

wasimanitoba 3y ago
You cannot give away some thing that doesn't belong to you. If I accept stolen property which I know to be ill-gotten, then I am as responsible as the thief. A Jewish state could've been established peacefully somewhere out in Utah instead (or joined the millions of American Jews prospering safely in their communities), but Palestinians had their land taken instead. Why? Racism, plain and simple. Like the Native Americans, the Palestinians were treated as mere savages who could be dispossessed without consequence.
- throwaway8877 3y ago
  You also can't expect to receive something that doesn't belong to you. Arabs were not natives on the historical Jewish lands. The offer to give them just anything was more than generous.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    What does "historical lands" mean? What's the cut off point on being able to claim the land your ancestors lived on?
AlecSchueler 3y ago
They were never an independent nation? What does that mean? I'm taking that to mean that you think their not being officially recognized as a state makes outside decisions about what land was and wasn't there's more valid. But I would posit that the idea of statehood that this relies on is based on a Westphalian ideal that is in colonial in this case. The people of Palestine were a nation and they had land of their own. The lack of official recognition by western powers doesn't change that. Did "the world" agree that there was a need for a Jewish state? It seems that many people disagreed both then and now. Why did it have to be built where it was? Because there was a Jewish population there? What changed for the population of Jews to change from less than 5% to almost half within the preceding century?
dukeofdoom 3y ago
I'm on the side of Israel, since to a certain extent I believe in "Might is Right". Don't challenge to a fight you can't win. But to large extent every claim that Israel makes to the land, the Palestinians could make. Hasan Parker kind of changed my opinion on this. But currently the left sees Jewish people as high status white people, using their status to get away with bloody murder. And you can't be racist agains white people...so the claim. The right is waiting for the rapture....and Israel will bring God back to earth ...or something crazy like that. I personally think a practical approach needs to be taken.

by iddan 3y ago

wasimanitoba 3y ago

You cannot give away some thing that doesn't belong to you. If I accept stolen property which I know to be ill-gotten, then I am as responsible as the thief. A Jewish state could've been established peacefully somewhere out in Utah instead (or joined the millions of American Jews prospering safely in their communities), but Palestinians had their land taken instead. Why? Racism, plain and simple. Like the Native Americans, the Palestinians were treated as mere savages who could be dispossessed without consequence.

throwaway8877 3y ago
You also can't expect to receive something that doesn't belong to you. Arabs were not natives on the historical Jewish lands. The offer to give them just anything was more than generous.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  What does "historical lands" mean? What's the cut off point on being able to claim the land your ancestors lived on?

AlecSchueler 3y ago

They were never an independent nation? What does that mean? I'm taking that to mean that you think their not being officially recognized as a state makes outside decisions about what land was and wasn't there's more valid. But I would posit that the idea of statehood that this relies on is based on a Westphalian ideal that is in colonial in this case. The people of Palestine were a nation and they had land of their own. The lack of official recognition by western powers doesn't change that. Did "the world" agree that there was a need for a Jewish state? It seems that many people disagreed both then and now. Why did it have to be built where it was? Because there was a Jewish population there? What changed for the population of Jews to change from less than 5% to almost half within the preceding century?

dukeofdoom 3y ago

I'm on the side of Israel, since to a certain extent I believe in "Might is Right". Don't challenge to a fight you can't win. But to large extent every claim that Israel makes to the land, the Palestinians could make. Hasan Parker kind of changed my opinion on this. But currently the left sees Jewish people as high status white people, using their status to get away with bloody murder. And you can't be racist agains white people...so the claim. The right is waiting for the rapture....and Israel will bring God back to earth ...or something crazy like that. I personally think a practical approach needs to be taken.