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The vast majority of the Apple products which I repeatedly hear are superior are used by people who are completely locked into their ecosystem and only use Appl

The vast majority of the Apple products which I repeatedly hear are superior are used by people who are completely locked into their ecosystem and only use Apple products. Which makes their advice less credible for several possible reasons: * they may not have the exposure to other products to have an authoritative opinion, * or they have used the products in a completely different context (eg, within the ecosystem with an iCloud account or other accompanying product), * or they might be expressing a bit of stockholm-esque sentiment ("it's the best I can easily use due to the limitations in which I can use this particular product and I love living within these limitations, so it's clearly the best option because everyone should love living within these limitations too..")

nottorp 3y ago
> and only use Apple products. I use only Apple products (desktop, laptop, phone, ipad), but I've never seriously considered the watch. Battery life less than a day? Come on...
- callalex 3y ago
  The battery life is closer to two days, definitely not less than a day.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I'm sure I've seen heavy users stating it doesn't last them through the day. But even 2 is ridiculous for a watch. It's not like a phone or another device that you use occasionally and can even use while it's charging. It's supposed to be there on your wrist.
- sgirard 3y ago
  I put the Apple Watch on the charger while I'm in the shower/getting dressed and it feels like the charge lasts indefinitely. It charges pretty fast.
- ramses0 3y ago
  The worst thing is their insistence on whatever swipe touch poke gesture garbage that permeates the whole WatchOS and WatchApps ecosystem. Useless useless useless, and Apple is martyred and married to it. (can't enter a PIN without the touch screen, can't ask app developers to rewrite apps to be button-focused or button-primary, can't _ever_ introduce something that is less capable, or less pretty than their existing overcomplicated mess) I use to love being able to skip to the next track while taking a shower from my pebble because it used these things called BuTtOnS, a long lost technology that allows you to reliable perform a limited set of actions while on the go and without looking.
realusername 3y ago
I'd put a fourth point, the APIs they give to third party products are inferior to what they give to their own, always. So even if you wanted to, you could not match the experience of being all-in on their ecosystem. That's intended, so that other products do not compete with theirs and look inferior.
jazzyjackson 3y ago
People aren't kidnapped into the apple ecosystem, they choose it because its preferable to no ecosystem at all.

nottorp 3y ago

> and only use Apple products. I use only Apple products (desktop, laptop, phone, ipad), but I've never seriously considered the watch. Battery life less than a day? Come on...

callalex 3y ago
The battery life is closer to two days, definitely not less than a day.
- nottorp 3y ago
  I'm sure I've seen heavy users stating it doesn't last them through the day. But even 2 is ridiculous for a watch. It's not like a phone or another device that you use occasionally and can even use while it's charging. It's supposed to be there on your wrist.
sgirard 3y ago
I put the Apple Watch on the charger while I'm in the shower/getting dressed and it feels like the charge lasts indefinitely. It charges pretty fast.
ramses0 3y ago
The worst thing is their insistence on whatever swipe touch poke gesture garbage that permeates the whole WatchOS and WatchApps ecosystem. Useless useless useless, and Apple is martyred and married to it. (can't enter a PIN without the touch screen, can't ask app developers to rewrite apps to be button-focused or button-primary, can't _ever_ introduce something that is less capable, or less pretty than their existing overcomplicated mess) I use to love being able to skip to the next track while taking a shower from my pebble because it used these things called BuTtOnS, a long lost technology that allows you to reliable perform a limited set of actions while on the go and without looking.

realusername 3y ago

I'd put a fourth point, the APIs they give to third party products are inferior to what they give to their own, always. So even if you wanted to, you could not match the experience of being all-in on their ecosystem. That's intended, so that other products do not compete with theirs and look inferior.

jazzyjackson 3y ago

People aren't kidnapped into the apple ecosystem, they choose it because its preferable to no ecosystem at all.