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US historians sign brief to support Colorado's removal of Trump from ballot

18 points by prmph 3y ago

h2odragon 3y ago
Worked so well in 1860
- dynisor 3y ago
  I don't think the 14th Amendment existed in 1860.
  - h2odragon 3y ago
    it didn't. There was still a successful effort to keep the popular Republican candidate off the ballots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidentia...
    - dynisor 3y ago
      The section you are talking about is marked as [citation needed]. So, I googled it and this[1] was one of the first results and it seems to disagree with that analysis. FactCheck.org[2] also looks like it agrees with the USA Today article. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/01/08/false-claim-states-removed-lincoln-from-ballot-in-1860-fact-check/72121760007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/01/08/fal... [2] https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/posts-distort-history-in-comparing-lincoln-with-efforts-to-disqualify-trump/ https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/posts-distort-history-in-c...
    - bediger4000 3y ago
      Wait so popularity matters? What about the wisdom of the Electoral College?
      - halJordan 3y ago
        Congrats, now you know the whole "it's an anti democratic scam" is a thought terminating cliche that doesn't reflect reality.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  Personally I think politically the US is way too far down the normalization of deviance road. My attitude is if your going to ignore the 14th amendment and put Trump on the ballot why even have laws.
henriquez 3y ago
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ImJamal 3y ago
Apparently historians only read the first 3 sections of the 14th amendment and failed to get to the 5th which explicitly states that the execution is left to the federal government not the states.
- halJordan 3y ago
  That's not at all what section five says in the letter it the spirit of the letters. And disingenuous of you to suggest it.
  - ImJamal 3y ago
    It says "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." What law did Congress (federal not state legislatures) pass to allow states to enforce this? Oh that is right, none.
    - johann8384 3y ago
      Typically the federal government doesn't need to pass a law to allow a state to do something. The states have the right to do their business as they see fit except for when they specifically don't.
      - ImJamal 3y ago
        They specifically don't have this authority according to section 5...
more_corn 3y ago
Won’t work without a conviction. Not sure why there were never charges brought against the guy who sent his supporters to the capitol to subvert the election. Not like there isn’t evidence. It happened on national tv. “Go to the capitol and fight like hell” people go and fight like hell, go to prison for fighting like hell. (On the day the election was to be certified, specifically to block the certification). Guy who sent them doesn’t get indicted. Seriously can’t figure out why.

18 points by prmph 3y ago

h2odragon 3y ago

Worked so well in 1860

dynisor 3y ago
I don't think the 14th Amendment existed in 1860.
- h2odragon 3y ago
  it didn't. There was still a successful effort to keep the popular Republican candidate off the ballots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidentia...
  - dynisor 3y ago
    The section you are talking about is marked as [citation needed]. So, I googled it and this[1] was one of the first results and it seems to disagree with that analysis. FactCheck.org[2] also looks like it agrees with the USA Today article. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/01/08/false-claim-states-removed-lincoln-from-ballot-in-1860-fact-check/72121760007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/01/08/fal... [2] https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/posts-distort-history-in-comparing-lincoln-with-efforts-to-disqualify-trump/ https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/posts-distort-history-in-c...
  - bediger4000 3y ago
    Wait so popularity matters? What about the wisdom of the Electoral College?
    - halJordan 3y ago
      Congrats, now you know the whole "it's an anti democratic scam" is a thought terminating cliche that doesn't reflect reality.
Gibbon1 3y ago
Personally I think politically the US is way too far down the normalization of deviance road. My attitude is if your going to ignore the 14th amendment and put Trump on the ballot why even have laws.

henriquez 3y ago

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ImJamal 3y ago

Apparently historians only read the first 3 sections of the 14th amendment and failed to get to the 5th which explicitly states that the execution is left to the federal government not the states.

halJordan 3y ago
That's not at all what section five says in the letter it the spirit of the letters. And disingenuous of you to suggest it.
- ImJamal 3y ago
  It says "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." What law did Congress (federal not state legislatures) pass to allow states to enforce this? Oh that is right, none.
  - johann8384 3y ago
    Typically the federal government doesn't need to pass a law to allow a state to do something. The states have the right to do their business as they see fit except for when they specifically don't.
    - ImJamal 3y ago
      They specifically don't have this authority according to section 5...

more_corn 3y ago

Won’t work without a conviction. Not sure why there were never charges brought against the guy who sent his supporters to the capitol to subvert the election. Not like there isn’t evidence. It happened on national tv. “Go to the capitol and fight like hell” people go and fight like hell, go to prison for fighting like hell. (On the day the election was to be certified, specifically to block the certification). Guy who sent them doesn’t get indicted. Seriously can’t figure out why.