> Yes, you were more subtle about it, calling him inexperienced rather than stupid. I see little difference between the two forms of ad hominem and that is what

> Yes, you were more subtle about it, calling him inexperienced rather than stupid. I see little difference between the two forms of ad hominem and that is what I wanted to point out. I said that because that's how I see myself doing Forth a couple of decades ago. But there should not be any ambiguity here. Inexperience is the lack of knowledge, stupidity is a disappointing failure to use knowledge. As for the ad homininem, that's a unfair because aside from that single remark, the subject of what I wrote is the feature, not the person who made it. > The two versions are syntactically the same. You can take a piece of Forth code and do the substitution True, but the if comes last and it is a significant ergonomic problem. For this to be not too unpleasant, you'll have to keep the quotations very short in practice, which is not a bad thing at all as "keep it short and simple" is a general good piece of advice which is specially true with "unfriendly" or "alien" languages, but one might be disappointed in terms of "usability": for instance nested quotes are something you will actively avoid because of that. > The only exception I can think of is it being harder to compile, but as you said, that tiny bit of speed doesn't really matter on modern systems and additionally the code would likely be optimised to the same instructions in a JIT You add complexity to the system in order to compensate for its deficiencies, exactly as I pointed out. Because it is more a glue language than a general purpose language as I understand it, a JIT shouldn't be needed. BTW, the "modern systems" argument is a fallacy IMO, as many general purpose interpreted languages had to go the JIT route (JS, Python to make it viable for more demanding applications, Lua as well, Smalltalk, PLT Scheme/Racket to name a few). For glue languages, that's different because making up for the typical 10X slowdown of interpretation with the full speed native code libraries can go a long way.