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Denial of Shitter attacks are always unethical. For real though, this is a cool idea and hack, but only a real bastard would put the toilet out of action delib
by Y_Y 3y ago
Denial of Shitter attacks are always unethical.
For real though, this is a cool idea and hack, but only a real bastard would put the toilet out of action deliberately. Of course that sort of person does happen to frequent British trains and this is hence valuable research.During the Polish train hacking debacle it was suggested that saboteurs be charged with harming vital national infrastructure, I hope that toiletblockers would be similarly indicted.
- mschuster91 3y ago> Denial of Shitter attacks are always unethical. Here in Germany, the railway itself is the worst culprit - in December, when DB took over the notorious Hof-Munich line, I travelled on a 6-car double decker train that had 5 broken toilets, all of them because either the water was out or the sewage tank full. Not fun. The second worst culprits are idiots throwing trash into the toilet. Diapers, tampons and wet wipes don't belong into regular toilets - but especially not into vacuum toilets like on trains or planes.
- pflenker 3y agoMy train once stopped in Bremen because only one toilet was working and soccer fans were aboard the train. In Bremen we could all leave the train, go to the toilet there and resume our trip some 20 minutes later. That was a bizarre experience.
- davchana 3y agoIn India on long route buses (like 8+ hours) its common for bus to stop for a tea food and bathroom break/stop.
- hollerith 3y agoIt's common on buses in the US, too, but we are talking about passenger trains.
- mattpallissard 3y agoCross country Amtrak has a few stops like that as well.
- blahedo 3y agoI've ridden almost all of the long-distance Amtrak lines and not seen what you describe. There are "long stops" where there are crew changes and refill and restock, but they are not primarily for passengers to visit the train station (and through-passengers that wish to get some fresh air are explicitly warned not to leave the platform, though this is not generally enforced if someone wants to take their chances).
- mschuster91 3y agoThe long distance ICE trains actually have a restaurant on board, although they only serve pre-made food. Czech trains on the other hand? They run actual restaurants with legit chefs on board [1][2]. [1] https://ostkoster.de/speisewagen-und-mitropa-in-ostdeutschland/ https://ostkoster.de/speisewagen-und-mitropa-in-ostdeutschla... [2] https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/im-knodelexpress-gen-prag-4030681.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/im-knodelexpress-ge...
- pflenker 3y agoGerman trains also used to have actual chefs on board, but it proved to be very cost-ineffective. There was even a McDonald's on a train, called the MacTrain: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/streit-zwischen-mcdonald-s-und-der-deutschen-bahn-ag-zu-wenig-umsatz-im-speisewagen-mctrain-schienen-big-mac-bekommt-das-reisen-nicht-li.60386 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/streit-zwischen-mcdonald-s-u...
- stavros 3y agoWhat's the Polish train hacking debacle? The thing where the company added software so the train disabled itself if repaired anywhere other than company headquarters? Who are the saboteurs in that case? The manufacturing company itself?
- wayvey 3y agoYes, it was found the manufacturer added undocumented software kill switches to the train software to get more maintenance work for themselves
- miki123211 3y agoThere were actually two Polish train hacking debacles, and I'm not 100% sure which one the GP means. The one you describe is the more famous one, but there was another one a few months earlier, where a group of actually malicious hackers used simple radio signals to trigger emergency stops on dozens of trains over the course of a few days.[1] [1] https://www.wired.com/story/poland-train-radio-stop-attack/ https://www.wired.com/story/poland-train-radio-stop-attack/
- Kwpolska 3y ago"Saboteurs" suggests it's the third-party-repair-prevention case. Stopping trains by playing the right tones on analog unencrypted radio (with the tones and frequencies being public knowledge) is hardly hacking anyway.
- wayvey 3y agoThis is what I was referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38788360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38788360
- wouldbecouldbe 3y agoMy nephew would carry along official out of order stickers. Put it on the toilet, go in and lock it. Not all were clean, but easy free ride.
- Lio 3y agoYeah, that's less a clever "hack" and more just plain old fraud. Like putting a loop in an ATM and calling it free money. It's not a free ride, your nephew is just dishonest.
- medo-bear 3y ago[flagged]
- IIAOPSW 3y agoI don't envy anyone who's ridding toilet-class all the way.
- gumby 3y agoAt least they have a place to sit!
- dylan604 3y agoor a place to s^hit
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago- roomy (depending on the train model, the modern accessible ones are huge) - quiet - private - free - includes a private bathroom!
- circuit10 3y agohttps://xkcd.com/1494/ https://xkcd.com/1494/
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
- ackbar03 3y agoSo is this good or not good research? Can you make up your mind?
- rishav_sharan 3y agoIt's just shitty research
- _the_inflator 3y agoMaybe some even more sinister monster could think of also poisoning the passengers with a laxative while locking the toilet doors. This sounds like a good script for a comic. ;)
- cat_plus_plus 3y agoIf playing with a bunch of buttons to see what happens is frowned upon, we have the worst possible denial of service attack on entire humanity by dumbing everyone down. It was not a given that toilet would get disabled and now the problem can be reported to manufacturer and fixed. If someone made it a habit to keep disabling toilets in every train deliberately, different story. Although fixing the flaw is still the most practical solution.