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It’s not 2003 anymore. Current and likely-upcoming wars are very important.

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
In my opinion, they need to be important enough to be worth murdering and mutilating lots of young people before you can call them important, which is rare. I’d argue 95+% of human wars have been worthless by this metric.
mindslight 3y ago
It may not be 2003 any longer, but what happened then is still reverberating. Seeing the US military and so many lives just get utterly squandered running imperial errands for the president's daddy's friends. Who wouldn't strongly discourage their own kids from putting themselves in such a vulnerable position, or be skeptical of the claim that the next war might actually be important? Similarly so much of Russia's current war propaganda is repurposed anti-war themes from Iraq and Afghanistan. The US has screwed around aggressively intervening around the globe for so long, that it's all too easy to pigeonhole what actually appears to be reasonable support for a would-be ally into the same bag. And now the chief opponents of such aid are actually the same party that led us into those useless wars! "Can't get fooled again" Those wars really were a total waste of our country's resources, international stature, and so much of our future. It was seen by so many at the time, including our allies. But the war boosters ruled the day, drunk on corporate/nationalist propaganda and those fucking yellow "support our troops" bracelets, as if the soldiers coming home wouldn't end up being some of the strongest anti-war voices. And now here we are.
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
  Oh yes, heads should have rolled for the instigation of the Iraq War. The damage they caused is immense and will be felt for generations.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  > it's all too easy to pigeonhole what actually appears to be reasonable support for a would-be ally into the same bag. This seems to imply that Soviet intervention into an American war declared over the Cuban Missile Crisis would have been fairly characterized as "reasonable support for a would-be [in this case, already formalized] ally".
  - mindslight 3y ago
    In a rough sense, sure? That was before my time so I don't have much of an opinion. It would seem the real root of the problem there was the mutually escalating global cold war. Whereas for current events, the West was quite happy integrating with the former Soviet Union including Russia, until Boomer Putin got high on his own supply and started trying to Make Russia Great Again.

In my opinion, they need to be important enough to be worth murdering and mutilating lots of young people before you can call them important, which is rare. I’d argue 95+% of human wars have been worthless by this metric.

mindslight 3y ago

It may not be 2003 any longer, but what happened then is still reverberating. Seeing the US military and so many lives just get utterly squandered running imperial errands for the president's daddy's friends. Who wouldn't strongly discourage their own kids from putting themselves in such a vulnerable position, or be skeptical of the claim that the next war might actually be important? Similarly so much of Russia's current war propaganda is repurposed anti-war themes from Iraq and Afghanistan. The US has screwed around aggressively intervening around the globe for so long, that it's all too easy to pigeonhole what actually appears to be reasonable support for a would-be ally into the same bag. And now the chief opponents of such aid are actually the same party that led us into those useless wars! "Can't get fooled again" Those wars really were a total waste of our country's resources, international stature, and so much of our future. It was seen by so many at the time, including our allies. But the war boosters ruled the day, drunk on corporate/nationalist propaganda and those fucking yellow "support our troops" bracelets, as if the soldiers coming home wouldn't end up being some of the strongest anti-war voices. And now here we are.

ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y ago
Oh yes, heads should have rolled for the instigation of the Iraq War. The damage they caused is immense and will be felt for generations.
thaumasiotes 3y ago
> it's all too easy to pigeonhole what actually appears to be reasonable support for a would-be ally into the same bag. This seems to imply that Soviet intervention into an American war declared over the Cuban Missile Crisis would have been fairly characterized as "reasonable support for a would-be [in this case, already formalized] ally".
- mindslight 3y ago
  In a rough sense, sure? That was before my time so I don't have much of an opinion. It would seem the real root of the problem there was the mutually escalating global cold war. Whereas for current events, the West was quite happy integrating with the former Soviet Union including Russia, until Boomer Putin got high on his own supply and started trying to Make Russia Great Again.