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I wonder if Youtube will ever do the same with Invidious by requiring an account for people to view videos. Sure, it might seen unthinkable for this to happen

I wonder if Youtube will ever do the same with Invidious by requiring an account for people to view videos. Sure, it might seen unthinkable for this to happen in 2024, but give it more 5 or 10 years and I could see this being something acceptable to the eyes of the average user. I don't like the direction the internet is going :\

qaziquza 3y ago
The point being: archive with yt-dlp while we still can.
- amatecha 3y ago
  Yes, assume every video you watch and like is going to get deleted in a week or month or year, or whatever. We don't know the timeline but it's really not a question of "if", just when.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    It's surprising how much gets removed often by creators or youtube.
    - amatecha 3y ago
      That too! If I go to my old "Favorites" playlists (or whatever they're called), something like 3/4 of the content is gone! Sad stuff.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    The vast majority of content is essentially ephemeral. I don’t tend to go back and rewatch random videos from years ago.
  - globular-toast 3y ago
    Not just videos. If you find something useful or enjoyable and want to ensure future access you need your own copy.
amatecha 3y ago
Oh yeah, I see it as inevitable. I'm blown away that YouTube is still accessible without an account. It's only a matter of time, though, I'd wager. I never thought Twitter would require an account to view its content.
- hexage1814 3y ago
  It's not the same site, but it's the same company: one thing that caught my attention lately is those little messages nagging you whenever you access Google without being logged in. And... those sorta passive aggressive behavior always start like this. Like, "Oh, why don't you log in? It's good for you, log in!", and as the time passes that behavior just gets more and more hostile towards the user until you end up reaching twitter/instagram levels.
  - amatecha 3y ago
    Oh yeah, that's right! I've noticed those nag modals are filling over 1/3 of my screen! On all kinds of sites! So coercive and manipulative. I can see why some people just browse with JS disabled and just forget about sites that require it.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Thank the EU. Cookie dialogs trained people to mindlessly click ok to make them go away, so they convert like crazy.
      - xigoi 3y ago
        People have learned to auto-click OK long before cookie banners. Also, cookie banners are not the fault of the EU, but the malicious compliance of companies.
  - ogurechny 3y ago
    You can try to guess the reason for such high temperature user boiling, it's not hard. There is a single TOS and privacy agreement for all Google services. If you “just” log in to Chrome to synchronize history because “it's convenient”, you also allow everything else, including AdSense and other all-across-the-web tracking. By formally becoming a client, you lose most of legal protections against indiscriminate data collection.
graphe 3y ago
I don't think so, with other sites giving out free video content. If they all did...
ephbit 3y ago
> I don't like the direction the internet is going :\ Haven't read "The Internet Con" yet but apparently Cory Doctorow has some ideas what can be done about this direction. > We can – we must – dismantle the tech platforms. We must to seize the means of computation by forcing Silicon Valley to do the thing it fears most: interoperate. Interoperability will tear down the walls between technologies, allowing users to leave platforms, remix their media, and reconfigure their devices without corporate permission. Interoperability is the only route to the rapid and enduring annihilation of the platforms. The Internet Con is the disassembly manual we need to take back our internet. [1] [1] https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/01/bookmaker/ https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/01/bookmaker/

qaziquza 3y ago

The point being: archive with yt-dlp while we still can.

amatecha 3y ago
Yes, assume every video you watch and like is going to get deleted in a week or month or year, or whatever. We don't know the timeline but it's really not a question of "if", just when.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  It's surprising how much gets removed often by creators or youtube.
  - amatecha 3y ago
    That too! If I go to my old "Favorites" playlists (or whatever they're called), something like 3/4 of the content is gone! Sad stuff.
- TylerE 3y ago
  The vast majority of content is essentially ephemeral. I don’t tend to go back and rewatch random videos from years ago.
- globular-toast 3y ago
  Not just videos. If you find something useful or enjoyable and want to ensure future access you need your own copy.

amatecha 3y ago

Oh yeah, I see it as inevitable. I'm blown away that YouTube is still accessible without an account. It's only a matter of time, though, I'd wager. I never thought Twitter would require an account to view its content.

hexage1814 3y ago
It's not the same site, but it's the same company: one thing that caught my attention lately is those little messages nagging you whenever you access Google without being logged in. And... those sorta passive aggressive behavior always start like this. Like, "Oh, why don't you log in? It's good for you, log in!", and as the time passes that behavior just gets more and more hostile towards the user until you end up reaching twitter/instagram levels.
- amatecha 3y ago
  Oh yeah, that's right! I've noticed those nag modals are filling over 1/3 of my screen! On all kinds of sites! So coercive and manipulative. I can see why some people just browse with JS disabled and just forget about sites that require it.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Thank the EU. Cookie dialogs trained people to mindlessly click ok to make them go away, so they convert like crazy.
    - xigoi 3y ago
      People have learned to auto-click OK long before cookie banners. Also, cookie banners are not the fault of the EU, but the malicious compliance of companies.
- ogurechny 3y ago
  You can try to guess the reason for such high temperature user boiling, it's not hard. There is a single TOS and privacy agreement for all Google services. If you “just” log in to Chrome to synchronize history because “it's convenient”, you also allow everything else, including AdSense and other all-across-the-web tracking. By formally becoming a client, you lose most of legal protections against indiscriminate data collection.

graphe 3y ago

I don't think so, with other sites giving out free video content. If they all did...

ephbit 3y ago

> I don't like the direction the internet is going :\ Haven't read "The Internet Con" yet but apparently Cory Doctorow has some ideas what can be done about this direction. > We can – we must – dismantle the tech platforms. We must to seize the means of computation by forcing Silicon Valley to do the thing it fears most: interoperate. Interoperability will tear down the walls between technologies, allowing users to leave platforms, remix their media, and reconfigure their devices without corporate permission. Interoperability is the only route to the rapid and enduring annihilation of the platforms. The Internet Con is the disassembly manual we need to take back our internet. [1] [1] https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/01/bookmaker/ https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/01/bookmaker/