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Let's phase out the Price-Anderson act as well so we do not socialize the accident insurance for nuclear plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93An

Let's phase out the Price-Anderson act as well so we do not socialize the accident insurance for nuclear plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear... What waste from solar and wind is not recyclable?

defrost 3y ago
Of the top of my head, cadmium and lead, low level radioactive waste from associated lithium extraction from spodumene concentrates, pools of acids as a result of rare earth processing, etc. Solar, wind, batteries etc are growing but as yet are only a small percentage of the energy produced by coal - as coal is phased out and replaced the waste from renewables will grow. To be absolutely clear, I am not anti renewable energy .. but there are some serious waste issues associated with all forms of rare earth and other concentrate pocessing. Pretending there isn't would be just head in the sand greenwashing of recycling issues. The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) did a 100 page report 8 years ago on the need to harvest solar panels to recover materials to form a closed cycle. To date we're still dominated by end-of-life e-waste going to landfill to be recoved "later". https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2016/IRENA_IEAPVPS_End-of-Life_Solar_PV_Panels_2016.pdf?rev=49a75178e38c46288a18753346fb0b09 https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication... That's one form of waste. The associated and often overlooked other form of waste is the byproducts from first creation, the processing of mined concentrates into useful materials comes with a slew of nasty by products that have yet to be comprehensibly dealt with. These are material forms of renewable debt.
- pengaru 3y ago
  > > What waste from solar and wind is not recyclable? > Of the top of my head, cadmium and lead, Lead isn't recyclable?
  - defrost 3y ago
    Isn't being recycled ... which is the real issue. Mining waste from copper, rare earth concentrates, minesite rehabilitation, safe tailing dams, etc are all things that in theory can be dealt with. It's not Mission Accomplished!! until they are actually dealt with though .. until then it's just toxic lead free to leach into water.
  - roenxi 3y ago
    https://leadsmart.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BHELP-2019-20-Annual-Report_FINAL.pdf https://leadsmart.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BHEL... This is 1 lead mining region. This report would be enough to shut down uranium mining across an entire country if it was doing an equivalent amount of damage. And that is just the mining, not the dumping, where there will be further damage done. But fortunately the damage lead does is done by chemical reactions rather than radiation so it is cool and we can handle it rationally. People are crazy if they think any industrial process can be run without damaging the environment. The nuclear production chain may literally be the only place where we try.

defrost 3y ago

Of the top of my head, cadmium and lead, low level radioactive waste from associated lithium extraction from spodumene concentrates, pools of acids as a result of rare earth processing, etc. Solar, wind, batteries etc are growing but as yet are only a small percentage of the energy produced by coal - as coal is phased out and replaced the waste from renewables will grow. To be absolutely clear, I am not anti renewable energy .. but there are some serious waste issues associated with all forms of rare earth and other concentrate pocessing. Pretending there isn't would be just head in the sand greenwashing of recycling issues. The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) did a 100 page report 8 years ago on the need to harvest solar panels to recover materials to form a closed cycle. To date we're still dominated by end-of-life e-waste going to landfill to be recoved "later". https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2016/IRENA_IEAPVPS_End-of-Life_Solar_PV_Panels_2016.pdf?rev=49a75178e38c46288a18753346fb0b09 https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication... That's one form of waste. The associated and often overlooked other form of waste is the byproducts from first creation, the processing of mined concentrates into useful materials comes with a slew of nasty by products that have yet to be comprehensibly dealt with. These are material forms of renewable debt.

pengaru 3y ago
> > What waste from solar and wind is not recyclable? > Of the top of my head, cadmium and lead, Lead isn't recyclable?
- defrost 3y ago
  Isn't being recycled ... which is the real issue. Mining waste from copper, rare earth concentrates, minesite rehabilitation, safe tailing dams, etc are all things that in theory can be dealt with. It's not Mission Accomplished!! until they are actually dealt with though .. until then it's just toxic lead free to leach into water.
- roenxi 3y ago
  https://leadsmart.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BHELP-2019-20-Annual-Report_FINAL.pdf https://leadsmart.nsw.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BHEL... This is 1 lead mining region. This report would be enough to shut down uranium mining across an entire country if it was doing an equivalent amount of damage. And that is just the mining, not the dumping, where there will be further damage done. But fortunately the damage lead does is done by chemical reactions rather than radiation so it is cool and we can handle it rationally. People are crazy if they think any industrial process can be run without damaging the environment. The nuclear production chain may literally be the only place where we try.