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"What's damaging?" I'm having a really hard time following HN rules and assuming this statement has been made in good faith. That's going to come through. Sorry
by falcolas 3y ago
"What's damaging?" I'm having a really hard time following HN rules and assuming this statement has been made in good faith. That's going to come through. Sorry, but not that sorry.
Women are regularly at risk of being fired from their jobs for the mere accusation of doing sex acts for pay. How would they convince anybody that they're fake without victimizing themselves further?
How will children - young girls who are already at risk of suicide due to body image issues - convince their bullies that the dozens of photos generated of them are fake?
Convincing AI images can be produced and distributed at volume by anyone with a cell phone. Any statement that this is no different from an artist painting a nude is disingenuous at best.
- stavros 3y agoYou can't both say "how will a woman convince someone images of her are fake" and "fake images can be generated at scale by anyone with a mobile phone". If anyone can produce fake nudes of anyone else with one click, why would any of them be believed? If I didn't want my nudes to have power, I'd flood the world with fake ones.
- falcolas 3y agoWe don't live in that ideal world. We will probably never live in that world, no matter how much "logical" sense it makes. Because we're people, not machines. And for better or worse, most indistinguishable nudes of people were real up until these past few months. Convincing folks that such a monumental change has happened is going to be effectively impossible in a reasonable timeframe that will save jobs and lives.
- stavros 3y agoI disagree. I think that, in the next two years, most young people won't believe any random nude photo they see to be real. It's already happening with art.
- falcolas 3y agoSure, in small niche communities that people who care about AI art care about. The broader world - and more importantly schools - has no idea that this is a thing. Our tech jobs put us in a really terrible bubble, and this kind of statement doubles down on the statements reverberating through our echo chamber. Heck, the sentiment expressed in the original statement has shown up in every single post about AI nudes since they first started getting reported on. Just yesterday we had some millions of people downloading and viewing Taylor Swift porn. Think they knew it was all generated by AI? Think they cared if they already wanted ammo to use against Taylor Swift?
- stavros 3y agoAre you saying AI generated porn will be easy to generate and widespread but people won't know about it?
- serf 3y agothat world is already fading away -- the public is being so oversaturated in AI images that real art is bringing up criticisms for being AI generated; when everyone thinks everything is AI generated, which is becoming increasingly the case with any picture or text medium , the world that judges every single photo online to assess a person can no longer exist.
- falcolas 3y ago> the world that judges every single photo online to assess a person can no longer exist. Outside of the tech bubble, it's going to exist for lifetimes. Most people already don't care enough to educate themselves about what is real and fake when it validates their biases; cries of "this is AI generated" will be just another "fake news" magnet.
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