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MetaLab is very high on my list of "people who do awesome work". They've been plugging away at products for years now, I remember Billy He / Ali Bosworth announ

by auston 14y ago

MetaLab is very high on my list of "people who do awesome work". They've been plugging away at products for years now, I remember Billy He / Ali Bosworth announced one of their first products on HN - ballpark (http://getballpark.com http://getballpark.com) + (hn thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=557028 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=557028). You can catch an interview with Andrew Wilkinson here: http://5by5.tv/founderstalk/28 http://5by5.tv/founderstalk/28 I've had the opportunity of having the Flow product lead (Luke Seeley) speak at my conference - seriously smart guy. Congrats to them for growing to $500k+ per year on their own!

joering2 14y ago
re HN post: I know it was 4 years ago, but regarding to patio11 first post over there, even 4yrs ago SSL was really cheap. Having your customer decide whether they want to have their data securely transferred or not over such a minimal cost-difference made me wonder what were the owners thinking? yes, I know there is additional cost involved in encrypting/decryption but 4 years ago servers were not that much more expensive as today; plus they created MVP product and started with 0 users, I assume. Nothing stopped them from adding extra $5 to every plan they sell and set it aside for a stronger server given userbase will keep growing. Its like giving users extremely fast rocket to fly on and telling them "there is no windshield and seatbelts are extra $5". Bottom line: I would rather have less customers and everyone with minimum security over their data, than safe extra couple bucks. IF they would ever get their data sniffed and shit would hit the fan, guess who would media blamed for it?
- mattmanser 14y ago
  It used to be a 'premium' feature of 37 signals products if I recall correctly. At the time it felt like others copied them, perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly. So I'm not surprised to see that. I believe it was just a way to get people to upgrade. Views have changed in the meantime as it's dawned on everyone how bad an idea it is not to have SSL on for everyone given how negligible the cost is.
CodeCube 14y ago
who else read that as, "MethLab is very high ..."?
- AVTizzle 14y ago
  Well now I can't un-see it.

by auston 14y ago

joering2 14y ago

re HN post: I know it was 4 years ago, but regarding to patio11 first post over there, even 4yrs ago SSL was really cheap. Having your customer decide whether they want to have their data securely transferred or not over such a minimal cost-difference made me wonder what were the owners thinking? yes, I know there is additional cost involved in encrypting/decryption but 4 years ago servers were not that much more expensive as today; plus they created MVP product and started with 0 users, I assume. Nothing stopped them from adding extra $5 to every plan they sell and set it aside for a stronger server given userbase will keep growing. Its like giving users extremely fast rocket to fly on and telling them "there is no windshield and seatbelts are extra $5". Bottom line: I would rather have less customers and everyone with minimum security over their data, than safe extra couple bucks. IF they would ever get their data sniffed and shit would hit the fan, guess who would media blamed for it?

mattmanser 14y ago
It used to be a 'premium' feature of 37 signals products if I recall correctly. At the time it felt like others copied them, perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly. So I'm not surprised to see that. I believe it was just a way to get people to upgrade. Views have changed in the meantime as it's dawned on everyone how bad an idea it is not to have SSL on for everyone given how negligible the cost is.

CodeCube 14y ago

who else read that as, "MethLab is very high ..."?

AVTizzle 14y ago
Well now I can't un-see it.