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I 100% agree that in office doesn't make up for a bad work culture. But I don't think that negates that being in-office with a good work culture can have signif

I 100% agree that in office doesn't make up for a bad work culture. But I don't think that negates that being in-office with a good work culture can have significant benefits over being remote with a good work culture. Also, my issue isn't just with "new hires", it's with new inexperienced hires. I started my career in a company that had a "boot camp"-like training environment for new grads, and I found it hugely, hugely beneficial for both learning new things and for developing strong relationships that have lasted 25 years later. I disagree that kind of experience can be replicated over Teams, though I fully acknowledge that kind of experience is rare to begin with.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
There’s over $120B in enterprise value of remote first enterprises. Feelings are fine, the data shows the model is effective. You can hire the best talent anywhere, talent that has options. That is a material competitive edge vs hiring a cohort that is willing to tolerate a non remote operating model. My hot take: Don’t hire helpless people, and the people you do hire, make sure they are fully supported to know what they need to do their job (internal mentor/buddy, knowledge base, frequent check ins until they’re more autonomous, etc). In person onboarding can help, as can week long in person on sites every quarter or twice a year (team cohesion).
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  > There’s over $120B in enterprise value of remote first enterprises. 1. Where is this number from? 2. In the grand scheme of things that is a teeny number. Not really surprised given as remote work is relatively new, but that number in and of itself is not really evidence for remote work's advantages over in person.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    > 1. Where is this number from? My Excel model. As someone passionate about the concept of remote work, and having a material component of my net worth invested in remote orgs, it is top of mind (and important to bring evidence for people's feels about the topic of remote vs office). I should probably just publish it as an Airtable. > 2. In the grand scheme of things that is a teeny number. Not really surprised given as remote work is relatively new, but that number in and of itself is not really evidence for remote work's advantages over in person. What number would no longer be teeny?
- spixy 3y ago
  I value more ability to socialize and have fun with coworkers physically, than maybe more money in high value enterprise where I would work from my room and be alone most of the day.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

There’s over $120B in enterprise value of remote first enterprises. Feelings are fine, the data shows the model is effective. You can hire the best talent anywhere, talent that has options. That is a material competitive edge vs hiring a cohort that is willing to tolerate a non remote operating model. My hot take: Don’t hire helpless people, and the people you do hire, make sure they are fully supported to know what they need to do their job (internal mentor/buddy, knowledge base, frequent check ins until they’re more autonomous, etc). In person onboarding can help, as can week long in person on sites every quarter or twice a year (team cohesion).

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> There’s over $120B in enterprise value of remote first enterprises. 1. Where is this number from? 2. In the grand scheme of things that is a teeny number. Not really surprised given as remote work is relatively new, but that number in and of itself is not really evidence for remote work's advantages over in person.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  > 1. Where is this number from? My Excel model. As someone passionate about the concept of remote work, and having a material component of my net worth invested in remote orgs, it is top of mind (and important to bring evidence for people's feels about the topic of remote vs office). I should probably just publish it as an Airtable. > 2. In the grand scheme of things that is a teeny number. Not really surprised given as remote work is relatively new, but that number in and of itself is not really evidence for remote work's advantages over in person. What number would no longer be teeny?
spixy 3y ago
I value more ability to socialize and have fun with coworkers physically, than maybe more money in high value enterprise where I would work from my room and be alone most of the day.