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it's good you can live in the camper, but: the roads will all be out, or gridlocked in both directions, with criminals on foot robbing the cars. Or if you do

it's good you can live in the camper, but: the roads will all be out, or gridlocked in both directions, with criminals on foot robbing the cars. Or if you do get where you want to go, it'll be thronged with other urban escapees and they'll have even less food, water, and shelter. My own belief is, your house is unlikely to be really unhabitable. It's better to NOT bug out, and have your emergency supplies there. You'll get to know your neighbors, if you don't already know them. Of course, a tsunami cancels all that advice.

LiquidPolymer 3y ago
Oh I agree - the roads may very well be impassable and/or gridlocked. The plan is to stay in place and live off provisions. If leaving was possible, it would be a few days before we even tried to do so. My worries about a tsunami are tempered by the coastal mountains. This would send a surge of the Columbia River and likely take out the airport. But we live on high ground well-above any flood zone. In the absolute worst case scenario - we might all be toast.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  See: Paradise, CA. Maui. HI.. Yeah, stay where you are . More support there,
asveikau 3y ago
> criminals on foot robbing the cars. You live in a paranoid universe. The vast majority of people will want to help strangers, and they will outnumber opportunistic criminals by far.
- woleium 3y ago
  To start, but if the situation does not improve in two weeks or so, roving gangs spontaneously arise (or so i have been told by someone who drops into disaster areas to provide aid)
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  .. and your experience is what, again?
  - asveikau 3y ago
    If you don't know me, why do you assume I have zero life experience? That seems like a pretty "low life experience" move if I'm being honest. Anyway the one disaster story I remember hearing so much about lawlessness, here is the first Google result I get: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/16/hurricane-katrina-new-orleans-looting-violence-misleading-reports https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/16/hurricane-ka... -- it was basically racist stereotyping and bullshit. Another old story I was stricken by reading about was the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. There are tons of stories of suddenly homeless people sleeping in golden gate park. Of strangers helping strangers. There are pretty much no stories about crime. If you are trying to justify your own contempt for your idea of what human nature is, then sure, believe the worst of your neighbors. Maybe you watch too many disaster movies. Back here in reality I'm less concerned about it. Mix in there is one US political party who has spent a few years now trying to make voters paranoid about crime.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
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      - asveikau 3y ago
        > why do you assume I'm assuming anything? I am merely looking at the meaning of words you write. > And you're oh-so-sensitive to anything that even implies that crime might happen. You're projecting onto me and saying the problem is that I'm "oh-so-sensitive", rather than you being paranoid and hating people and therefore have unrealistically pessimistic movie-plot style ideas about roving gangs that are going to victimize people who massively outnumber them. Just imagine the scene you described: > gridlocked in both directions, with criminals on foot robbing the cars. So I picture a long line of cars, and a small number of people robbing them. If there is traffic gridlock, the bystanders far outnumber the robbers, because gridlock by definition consists of people. You think all of them will let them do it? Note the robbers would also be prevented from leaving by the gridlock that surrounds them. You painted a wildly unlikely scenario, and it's my fault for being "sensitive" to your fantasy. I know, I'm so unreasonable for calling bullshit on this.
- nahbrah22 3y ago
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  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    yeah, read his response. as I said: expect the best, but prepare for the worst.
- oceanplexian 3y ago
  You can tell from these threads the folks who weren’t old enough to remember Katrina, how quickly things spiraled out of control. All of the worst case scenarios people say are unlikely happened in real life.
cf100clunk 3y ago
> Of course, a tsunami cancels all that advice. As does a rapidly approaching wildfire. At that point, it is RV-on-the-road-elsewhere if I haven't already bugged out in it.

LiquidPolymer 3y ago

Oh I agree - the roads may very well be impassable and/or gridlocked. The plan is to stay in place and live off provisions. If leaving was possible, it would be a few days before we even tried to do so. My worries about a tsunami are tempered by the coastal mountains. This would send a surge of the Columbia River and likely take out the airport. But we live on high ground well-above any flood zone. In the absolute worst case scenario - we might all be toast.

AlbertCory 3y ago
See: Paradise, CA. Maui. HI.. Yeah, stay where you are . More support there,

asveikau 3y ago

> criminals on foot robbing the cars. You live in a paranoid universe. The vast majority of people will want to help strangers, and they will outnumber opportunistic criminals by far.

woleium 3y ago
To start, but if the situation does not improve in two weeks or so, roving gangs spontaneously arise (or so i have been told by someone who drops into disaster areas to provide aid)
AlbertCory 3y ago
.. and your experience is what, again?
- asveikau 3y ago
  If you don't know me, why do you assume I have zero life experience? That seems like a pretty "low life experience" move if I'm being honest. Anyway the one disaster story I remember hearing so much about lawlessness, here is the first Google result I get: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/16/hurricane-katrina-new-orleans-looting-violence-misleading-reports https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/16/hurricane-ka... -- it was basically racist stereotyping and bullshit. Another old story I was stricken by reading about was the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. There are tons of stories of suddenly homeless people sleeping in golden gate park. Of strangers helping strangers. There are pretty much no stories about crime. If you are trying to justify your own contempt for your idea of what human nature is, then sure, believe the worst of your neighbors. Maybe you watch too many disaster movies. Back here in reality I'm less concerned about it. Mix in there is one US political party who has spent a few years now trying to make voters paranoid about crime.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
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    - asveikau 3y ago
      > why do you assume I'm assuming anything? I am merely looking at the meaning of words you write. > And you're oh-so-sensitive to anything that even implies that crime might happen. You're projecting onto me and saying the problem is that I'm "oh-so-sensitive", rather than you being paranoid and hating people and therefore have unrealistically pessimistic movie-plot style ideas about roving gangs that are going to victimize people who massively outnumber them. Just imagine the scene you described: > gridlocked in both directions, with criminals on foot robbing the cars. So I picture a long line of cars, and a small number of people robbing them. If there is traffic gridlock, the bystanders far outnumber the robbers, because gridlock by definition consists of people. You think all of them will let them do it? Note the robbers would also be prevented from leaving by the gridlock that surrounds them. You painted a wildly unlikely scenario, and it's my fault for being "sensitive" to your fantasy. I know, I'm so unreasonable for calling bullshit on this.
nahbrah22 3y ago
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- AlbertCory 3y ago
  yeah, read his response. as I said: expect the best, but prepare for the worst.
oceanplexian 3y ago
You can tell from these threads the folks who weren’t old enough to remember Katrina, how quickly things spiraled out of control. All of the worst case scenarios people say are unlikely happened in real life.

cf100clunk 3y ago

> Of course, a tsunami cancels all that advice. As does a rapidly approaching wildfire. At that point, it is RV-on-the-road-elsewhere if I haven't already bugged out in it.