3 ms·

I'm not moralizing anything. Calling myself a criminal for stealing is just honesty. Piracy is an especially easy and guiltless crime because it can be done wit

I'm not moralizing anything. Calling myself a criminal for stealing is just honesty. Piracy is an especially easy and guiltless crime because it can be done with no one knowing and no chance of getting caught that's why. But almost no one is able to admit this to themselves. Even Hitler had a rationalization for the Holocaust. It's totally obvious piracy is theft. It doesn't matter if that product was an idea or a piece of art or something a person is not making money off of. If someone created something and they own it and you take it against his wishes you are a thief. You're the one trying to justify it with all this rationalization. But you and others are going off topic. I'm saying your rationalization is normal. Everyone does it. My question is more why do you spend the effort to do it. Why do you lie to yourself? Why do you have to scaffold illusions all around yourself to construct a lie that makes yourself a moral paragon. You are a human, humans are not morally perfect. It's normal to steal. You're on HN and identities aren't really exposed so it's not some lie you're telling others. These are lies we tell ourselves.

calamari4065 3y ago
You're trying extremely hard to rationalize your opinion, to the point of comparing piracy to THE ACTUAL HOLOCAUST. You seem to be absolutely and totally unwilling to even consider an opinion contrary to your own, waving it away as "delusion". If you can't understand why everyone is "deluded", maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if maybe there's a possibility that you are in the wrong. Ask yourself what a "deluded" person would do and say to convince themselves and then take a look at what you've written here.
- corethree 3y ago
  >You're trying extremely hard to rationalize your opinion, to the point of comparing piracy to THE ACTUAL HOLOCAUST. You seem to be absolutely and totally unwilling to even consider an opinion contrary to your own, waving it away as "delusion". No I'm saying EVEN something as extreme as the holocaust can be rationalized. Thus even simple stuff like piracy can be too. It's comparatively easier and very possible. If I was doing what you're implying, saying that piracy is comparable to the holocaust I would be doing the opposite of rationalization. What am I going to comfort myself after stealing something and say I did something so atrocious that it's equivalent to the holocaust? It's radically the opposite, such beliefs are more like phobias, if I held such false beliefs I would be LESS likely to pirate. >If you can't understand why everyone is "deluded", maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if maybe there's a possibility that you are in the wrong. No. I'm pretty sure I'm not deluded given that my viewpoint isn't rosy or justifying anything. Delusions are usually used for self comfort, there's none of that going on here with me. >Ask yourself what a "deluded" person would do and say to convince themselves and then take a look at what you've written here. A deluded person wouldn't call himself a criminal. But that's exactly what I am. I'm self fish, I'm an ass hole, and I'm a criminal. But I'm also saying most people are like this. They just can't admit it. It's a dog eat dog world.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Deluded people call themselves criminal all the time. Innocent people confess to crimes they don't commit for attention. But in your case you think by providing an extreme to compare you can link the negatively associated while pretending you are some strawman stereo type. You are not an asshole you are tired of everyone supporting piracy and this is your best version of a response.
    - corethree 3y ago
      I'm not talking about delusion related to insanity. I'm talking about the common kind lie. Where people lie to themselves. Do not call me an ass hole. Do not say things to people you wouldn't say in real life. That's both offensive, rude, spineless and against the rules here.

calamari4065 3y ago

You're trying extremely hard to rationalize your opinion, to the point of comparing piracy to THE ACTUAL HOLOCAUST. You seem to be absolutely and totally unwilling to even consider an opinion contrary to your own, waving it away as "delusion". If you can't understand why everyone is "deluded", maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if maybe there's a possibility that you are in the wrong. Ask yourself what a "deluded" person would do and say to convince themselves and then take a look at what you've written here.

corethree 3y ago
>You're trying extremely hard to rationalize your opinion, to the point of comparing piracy to THE ACTUAL HOLOCAUST. You seem to be absolutely and totally unwilling to even consider an opinion contrary to your own, waving it away as "delusion". No I'm saying EVEN something as extreme as the holocaust can be rationalized. Thus even simple stuff like piracy can be too. It's comparatively easier and very possible. If I was doing what you're implying, saying that piracy is comparable to the holocaust I would be doing the opposite of rationalization. What am I going to comfort myself after stealing something and say I did something so atrocious that it's equivalent to the holocaust? It's radically the opposite, such beliefs are more like phobias, if I held such false beliefs I would be LESS likely to pirate. >If you can't understand why everyone is "deluded", maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if maybe there's a possibility that you are in the wrong. No. I'm pretty sure I'm not deluded given that my viewpoint isn't rosy or justifying anything. Delusions are usually used for self comfort, there's none of that going on here with me. >Ask yourself what a "deluded" person would do and say to convince themselves and then take a look at what you've written here. A deluded person wouldn't call himself a criminal. But that's exactly what I am. I'm self fish, I'm an ass hole, and I'm a criminal. But I'm also saying most people are like this. They just can't admit it. It's a dog eat dog world.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Deluded people call themselves criminal all the time. Innocent people confess to crimes they don't commit for attention. But in your case you think by providing an extreme to compare you can link the negatively associated while pretending you are some strawman stereo type. You are not an asshole you are tired of everyone supporting piracy and this is your best version of a response.
  - corethree 3y ago
    I'm not talking about delusion related to insanity. I'm talking about the common kind lie. Where people lie to themselves. Do not call me an ass hole. Do not say things to people you wouldn't say in real life. That's both offensive, rude, spineless and against the rules here.