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> Caution: never use eSIM with your real phone number; always get a new phone number just for use with eSIM. This seems to be impractical advice with the way d

> Caution: never use eSIM with your real phone number; always get a new phone number just for use with eSIM. This seems to be impractical advice with the way devices are going. Look at iPhones.

javajosh 3y ago
As with so many things, like physical media, the wider world will undervalue some devices which is an opportunity for those in the know. It's a consolation prize, to be sure, but it's not nothing.
eqvinox 3y ago
> This seems to be impractical advice with the way devices are going. Look at iPhones. Unfortunately, quite a few security practices are sometimes "impractical". If you go purely by practicality, all computers would always trust you and do as you request — what is that if not the most practical way of interacting with a computer? You always need to decide where to place your personal trade-off, maximize in that direction, and be honest about it to yourself. If you don't care about security to this degree, buy an iPhone. If you don't care about their known shortcomings, use face ID and/or fingerprint sensors. Or buy a different phone. > way devices are going. Look at iPhones. Also, FTR, almost all US people have a distorted view of iPhone market share. It's only the US where they have about half the market. It's far less in the rest of the world. That said, they still have somewhat of a "technology leader" position where everyone else feels like they have to imitate it, so… meh.
- kanbara 3y ago
  people (companies) want to emulate apple because they sell devices like hotcakes, and develop or remove features that users eventually like/want/expect/don't miss, which brings down mfg cost and enables new technologies. i don't understand why people say "meh" about companies copying apple, _as if it is apple's fault_. it's samsung, google, huawei, etc. making those decisions. if apple has 20-30% marketshare in most of the world, but has stronger fanbase, makes more money, and pushes tech boundaries, of course other companies will want to follow.
  - eqvinox 3y ago
    > i don't understand why people say "meh" about companies copying apple, _as if it is apple's fault_ I'm saying meh because people copying Apple include the dumb decisions Apple makes without applying their own brain. Which in case of this specific thread is removing physical SIM slots. This is both Apple's fault for making a questionable decision as well as other companies for copying it. > if apple has 20-30% marketshare in most of the world Apple's global market share in 2023 was just about 20%, carried by it being 39% in the US; as such it is in fact below 20% in most of the world.

> Caution: never use eSIM with your real phone number; always get a new phone number just for use with eSIM. This seems to be impractical advice with the way devices are going. Look at iPhones.

javajosh 3y ago

As with so many things, like physical media, the wider world will undervalue some devices which is an opportunity for those in the know. It's a consolation prize, to be sure, but it's not nothing.

eqvinox 3y ago

> This seems to be impractical advice with the way devices are going. Look at iPhones. Unfortunately, quite a few security practices are sometimes "impractical". If you go purely by practicality, all computers would always trust you and do as you request — what is that if not the most practical way of interacting with a computer? You always need to decide where to place your personal trade-off, maximize in that direction, and be honest about it to yourself. If you don't care about security to this degree, buy an iPhone. If you don't care about their known shortcomings, use face ID and/or fingerprint sensors. Or buy a different phone. > way devices are going. Look at iPhones. Also, FTR, almost all US people have a distorted view of iPhone market share. It's only the US where they have about half the market. It's far less in the rest of the world. That said, they still have somewhat of a "technology leader" position where everyone else feels like they have to imitate it, so… meh.

kanbara 3y ago
people (companies) want to emulate apple because they sell devices like hotcakes, and develop or remove features that users eventually like/want/expect/don't miss, which brings down mfg cost and enables new technologies. i don't understand why people say "meh" about companies copying apple, _as if it is apple's fault_. it's samsung, google, huawei, etc. making those decisions. if apple has 20-30% marketshare in most of the world, but has stronger fanbase, makes more money, and pushes tech boundaries, of course other companies will want to follow.
- eqvinox 3y ago
  > i don't understand why people say "meh" about companies copying apple, _as if it is apple's fault_ I'm saying meh because people copying Apple include the dumb decisions Apple makes without applying their own brain. Which in case of this specific thread is removing physical SIM slots. This is both Apple's fault for making a questionable decision as well as other companies for copying it. > if apple has 20-30% marketshare in most of the world Apple's global market share in 2023 was just about 20%, carried by it being 39% in the US; as such it is in fact below 20% in most of the world.