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Sadly common nowadays. Lately I’ve really got into my self-hosting again. I had moved away from it as my income increased and I valued convenience and less th

Sadly common nowadays. Lately I’ve really got into my self-hosting again. I had moved away from it as my income increased and I valued convenience and less things to worry about, but with everything becoming subscription based, with regular price hikes, I’m hosting as much as I can myself. I’ve also stated to torrent a lot more content, my rule of thumb is if you make it available for me to buy, I’ll buy it, but if you expect me to wait 18 months for something released in the US to land in the UK then I’ll just torrent it.

kilroy123 3y ago
This is the way. I self host n8n and I never have to worry about price increases.
rytis 3y ago
Same, and it’s not only about the price either. I value stability and certainty that things I use and rely upon aren’t going to be shut down.
- dotancohen 3y ago
  Every two or three years I oscillate been believing that self hosting is more stable, paying a professional company is more stable, self hosting is more stable, paying a professional... The actual monetary outlay is not even a factor most of the time. But identifying which tech companies are stable is a challenge.
  - al_borland 3y ago
    If self hosting and professionals are equally stable, I’ve tended to like the idea that when something breaks, there is a team of people watching for it and fixing it, and I don’t need to drop everything else I’m doing to play sys admin for the evening. I set myself a budget of $100/month of subscriptions. I decided if I stay under that I’m not going to stress about it. My bigger worry is more around longevity and a rug pull in the future (or a hack). But I have that same anxiety around self hosting as well, if something happens to a project and I need to migrate, or I get lazy about updates.
    - dotancohen 3y ago
      > I’ve tended to like the idea that when something breaks, there is a team of people watching for it and fixing it I've tended to agree with that, but so many services go under with little warning.
defenestration 3y ago
Just out of curiosity, what are the things that you’re self-hosting? And what’s your setup for self-hosting?
corethree 3y ago
Waiting 18 months is no excuse to steal something that isn't yours. It's not a justification it never was and never will. Your actions are immoral and wrong whether you wait or not. It's just something you tell yourself for comfort. Some sort of assurance that you're not immoral despite your obviously contrary actions. Will actually buy the thing after 18 months? Let's be real. Is stealing something and then buying it 18 months later is a crime for anything else except torrenting? Why don't you shoplift and then buy it 18 months later? Personally I don't wait. I torrent the thing straight away because it's free and I'm a greedy human being. There's certain lines I won't cross but torrenting isn't one of them. Physically shoplifting something is just some weird thing I don't do because I'm an irrational human being. I torrent but I don't shoplift because I'm illogical, like the way many people are. But unlike most people, I don't have to make up some BS story about why one is more justified then the other. I can recognize my own inconsistency and I can live with it. I wonder why people have to justify it for themselves. Like why do we have to make up stories? Take for example global warming. I drive a car to work because I'm a self fish person and I care about my commute being convenient more then I care about the world. I'll just let the rest of the world take action to save it and I'll just drive a gas guzzler until it becomes inconvenient to do so. The thing that gets me is I feel 99 percent of the world is like me. But They have to make up some flimsy story that justifies their imperfection to sort of morph themselves into human paragons. If ifttt was free I would use it. If it's not there's no advantage to me at all and I won't. It's all about my advantage and I really don't care about the company. That's how it is for most people and that's why people on Reddit are angry. But I'm positive the people on Reddit have to spin some story to justify it for themselves. A bit of topic here, maybe, but I'm curious as to why we have to spin it. Maybe it is relevant if there are tons of people on this thread trying to "moralize" the whole thing and justify their actions and viewpoints. But my question is essentially this: Why can't most people just tell it like it is? Why can't we be honest with ourselves?
- calamari4065 3y ago
  The rest of us are honest with ourselves: piracy isn't stealing and doesn't affect some corporation's already ludicrous profits. Creating a copy of a file does not actually cause anyone any harm, even theoretically. To think otherwise is to swallow propaganda hook line and sinker. The push to criminalize piracy is 100% driven by companies who are now trying to extract rent by simply not giving you an option to purchase and own digital goods, and instead want you to pay them monthly forever.

kilroy123 3y ago

This is the way. I self host n8n and I never have to worry about price increases.

rytis 3y ago

Same, and it’s not only about the price either. I value stability and certainty that things I use and rely upon aren’t going to be shut down.

dotancohen 3y ago
Every two or three years I oscillate been believing that self hosting is more stable, paying a professional company is more stable, self hosting is more stable, paying a professional... The actual monetary outlay is not even a factor most of the time. But identifying which tech companies are stable is a challenge.
- al_borland 3y ago
  If self hosting and professionals are equally stable, I’ve tended to like the idea that when something breaks, there is a team of people watching for it and fixing it, and I don’t need to drop everything else I’m doing to play sys admin for the evening. I set myself a budget of $100/month of subscriptions. I decided if I stay under that I’m not going to stress about it. My bigger worry is more around longevity and a rug pull in the future (or a hack). But I have that same anxiety around self hosting as well, if something happens to a project and I need to migrate, or I get lazy about updates.
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    > I’ve tended to like the idea that when something breaks, there is a team of people watching for it and fixing it I've tended to agree with that, but so many services go under with little warning.

defenestration 3y ago

Just out of curiosity, what are the things that you’re self-hosting? And what’s your setup for self-hosting?

corethree 3y ago

Waiting 18 months is no excuse to steal something that isn't yours. It's not a justification it never was and never will. Your actions are immoral and wrong whether you wait or not. It's just something you tell yourself for comfort. Some sort of assurance that you're not immoral despite your obviously contrary actions. Will actually buy the thing after 18 months? Let's be real. Is stealing something and then buying it 18 months later is a crime for anything else except torrenting? Why don't you shoplift and then buy it 18 months later? Personally I don't wait. I torrent the thing straight away because it's free and I'm a greedy human being. There's certain lines I won't cross but torrenting isn't one of them. Physically shoplifting something is just some weird thing I don't do because I'm an irrational human being. I torrent but I don't shoplift because I'm illogical, like the way many people are. But unlike most people, I don't have to make up some BS story about why one is more justified then the other. I can recognize my own inconsistency and I can live with it. I wonder why people have to justify it for themselves. Like why do we have to make up stories? Take for example global warming. I drive a car to work because I'm a self fish person and I care about my commute being convenient more then I care about the world. I'll just let the rest of the world take action to save it and I'll just drive a gas guzzler until it becomes inconvenient to do so. The thing that gets me is I feel 99 percent of the world is like me. But They have to make up some flimsy story that justifies their imperfection to sort of morph themselves into human paragons. If ifttt was free I would use it. If it's not there's no advantage to me at all and I won't. It's all about my advantage and I really don't care about the company. That's how it is for most people and that's why people on Reddit are angry. But I'm positive the people on Reddit have to spin some story to justify it for themselves. A bit of topic here, maybe, but I'm curious as to why we have to spin it. Maybe it is relevant if there are tons of people on this thread trying to "moralize" the whole thing and justify their actions and viewpoints. But my question is essentially this: Why can't most people just tell it like it is? Why can't we be honest with ourselves?

calamari4065 3y ago
The rest of us are honest with ourselves: piracy isn't stealing and doesn't affect some corporation's already ludicrous profits. Creating a copy of a file does not actually cause anyone any harm, even theoretically. To think otherwise is to swallow propaganda hook line and sinker. The push to criminalize piracy is 100% driven by companies who are now trying to extract rent by simply not giving you an option to purchase and own digital goods, and instead want you to pay them monthly forever.