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It's nice using Brave because you have Chromium's better performance, without having to worry about Manifest V2 dying and taking adblocking down with it. I have

by davikr 3y ago

It's nice using Brave because you have Chromium's better performance, without having to worry about Manifest V2 dying and taking adblocking down with it. I have uBlock Origin enabled, but it has barely caught anything that slipped past the browser filters.

deely3 3y ago
Is this submarine comment?
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  What is the definition of a submarine comment? Google fails and ChatGPT says: > A "submarine comment" on social media refers to a comment that is made on an old post or thread, long after the conversation has died down. This term derives from the idea of a submarine which remains submerged and out of sight for long periods before suddenly surfacing. In the context of social media, it's when someone delves deep into someone else's posts or timeline, finds an old post, and leaves a comment, bringing the old post back to attention. This can sometimes surprise the original poster and other participants, as the conversation was thought to have been concluded. Which doesn’t make sense in this context
  - mcbuilder 3y ago
    I think GP is trying to coin a term for stealth marketing Hacker News comments, except the analogy doesn't really make sense.
    - freediver 3y ago
      Seen on HN first!
    - deely3 3y ago
      Definition: https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
  - deely3 3y ago
    Definition: https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
croes 3y ago
Brave"s support of Manifest V3 is totally dependent on Google and Chrome >Brave will support uBO and uMatrix so long as Google doesn’t remove underlying V2 code paths (which seem to be needed for Chrome for enterprise support, so should stay in the Chromium open source) https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152
- davikr 3y ago
  Yeah, but the Brave adblocker is built-in, it's not an extension.
  - croes 3y ago
    There are more extensions than just ad blockers
- steve_rambo 3y ago
  It doesn't really matter much in practice. The built-in adblocker (which does not rely on extension APIs) has excellent performance, about as effective as ublock origin, and supports the same filter lists.
  - croes 3y ago
    It does matter if you use other extensions that require Manifest V2
  - guipsp 3y ago
    The built-in adblocker still relies on a large amount of extension APIs.
charcircuit 3y ago
MV3 doesn't prevent adblockers from existing.
- rpastuszak 3y ago
  It makes them almost useless in practice.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    That is a baseless statement. It doesn't make them useless as they can still block ads.
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
    Because the filter list is capped, right? Is there a reason the Brave team cannot just remove or increase the cap?
    - gkbrk 3y ago
      Not just because of the filter list cap. It also reduces ad blockers to static filter lists instead of powerful dynamic filters. MV3 makes it impossible for ad-blockers to inspect requests with code and then allow/deny dynamically.
      - charcircuit 3y ago
        >It also reduces ad blockers to static filter lists instead of powerful dynamic filters. This is very outdated information and borderline misinformation by representing it as how it currently works. It allows for 30,000 dynamic rules and 5,000 session rules (session rules only persist until the browser is closed). >MV3 makes it impossible for ad-blockers to inspect requests with code and then allow/deny dynamically. Giving this ability to extensions can slow down the browser for the user. These ads can still be blocked through other means.
        danShumway 3y ago
srid 3y ago
> I have uBlock Origin enabled, but it has barely caught anything that slipped past the browser filters. I have been completely satisfied with Brave's builtin ad-blocker. Does uBlock Origin catch anything in particular that the builtin one does not?
- rozab 3y ago
  I couldn't see Brave being able to counter, say, the recent YouTube anti-adblock push as quickly as the open source community did. I could see that kind of stunt becoming more common as Google tries to nail the coffin shut and deny their competitors this USP
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
  Brave's ad blocking is compatible (and uses) the uBlock Origin lists, so you shouldn't really notice a difference between having uBO enabled or disabled in brave.
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Diti 3y ago
If by performance you mean browser performance, you have more performance with Firefox nowadays. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883
- jacooper 3y ago
  While still not being as secure as chromium and still not supporting many advanced features like WebGpu.
- FoodWThrow 3y ago
  I use firefox because it has the most hassle-free hardware decoding in linux. However, everything basically feels better with Brave, even with the same amount of plug-ins.
  - kristianp 3y ago
    I found the snap update notifications too annoying on Ubuntu, so I tried the ppa. But it the video plugin would crash. So back to Chrome for me.
    - 1xdevnet 3y ago
      Curious whether you've tried with the new (non-PPA) repo directly from Mozilla as of v122 [1]. I think the old PPA was also Mozilla, so I don't know what may have changed aside from being more publicly acknowledged. Might be worth a try? I don't have an Ubuntu VM at-hand but on Debian bookworm it installed fine, and (after tweaking one line in profiles.ini to point to my old ESR profile) it loaded and played Widevine-protected videos without any issues. [1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w...
      - kristianp 3y ago
        Thanks, I'll give that a try.
danShumway 3y ago
This has come up a few times, but as far as I know Gorhill is planning to full-on drop support for Chromium browsers outside of uBO Lite. Does Brave keeping Manifest V2 matter if developers stop maintaining the Chromium version of those extensions? I also still can't really find if Brave has an extension store or if it's connecting to Chrome's. If it's the latter, then it seems like V2 extensions are going away for Brave regardless of what API decisions it makes, because short of sideloading them the addons won't be on the Chrome web store anymore and won't be getting updates. I assume Brave supports sideloading extensions, and maybe developers would maintain extensions for Chromium that can't actually be used in Chrome? Although that seems a little optimistic. But not having a way to search for V2 extensions or get ratings/reviews seems like it will still be a problem for users.
- Departed7405 3y ago
  Brave indeed use the Chrome Web Store.

by davikr 3y ago

deely3 3y ago

Is this submarine comment?

thebruce87m 3y ago
What is the definition of a submarine comment? Google fails and ChatGPT says: > A "submarine comment" on social media refers to a comment that is made on an old post or thread, long after the conversation has died down. This term derives from the idea of a submarine which remains submerged and out of sight for long periods before suddenly surfacing. In the context of social media, it's when someone delves deep into someone else's posts or timeline, finds an old post, and leaves a comment, bringing the old post back to attention. This can sometimes surprise the original poster and other participants, as the conversation was thought to have been concluded. Which doesn’t make sense in this context
- mcbuilder 3y ago
  I think GP is trying to coin a term for stealth marketing Hacker News comments, except the analogy doesn't really make sense.
  - freediver 3y ago
    Seen on HN first!
  - deely3 3y ago
    Definition: https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
- deely3 3y ago
  Definition: https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

croes 3y ago

Brave"s support of Manifest V3 is totally dependent on Google and Chrome >Brave will support uBO and uMatrix so long as Google doesn’t remove underlying V2 code paths (which seem to be needed for Chrome for enterprise support, so should stay in the Chromium open source) https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152

davikr 3y ago
Yeah, but the Brave adblocker is built-in, it's not an extension.
- croes 3y ago
  There are more extensions than just ad blockers
steve_rambo 3y ago
It doesn't really matter much in practice. The built-in adblocker (which does not rely on extension APIs) has excellent performance, about as effective as ublock origin, and supports the same filter lists.
- croes 3y ago
  It does matter if you use other extensions that require Manifest V2
- guipsp 3y ago
  The built-in adblocker still relies on a large amount of extension APIs.

charcircuit 3y ago

MV3 doesn't prevent adblockers from existing.

rpastuszak 3y ago
It makes them almost useless in practice.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  That is a baseless statement. It doesn't make them useless as they can still block ads.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  Because the filter list is capped, right? Is there a reason the Brave team cannot just remove or increase the cap?
  - gkbrk 3y ago
    Not just because of the filter list cap. It also reduces ad blockers to static filter lists instead of powerful dynamic filters. MV3 makes it impossible for ad-blockers to inspect requests with code and then allow/deny dynamically.
    - charcircuit 3y ago
      >It also reduces ad blockers to static filter lists instead of powerful dynamic filters. This is very outdated information and borderline misinformation by representing it as how it currently works. It allows for 30,000 dynamic rules and 5,000 session rules (session rules only persist until the browser is closed). >MV3 makes it impossible for ad-blockers to inspect requests with code and then allow/deny dynamically. Giving this ability to extensions can slow down the browser for the user. These ads can still be blocked through other means.
      - danShumway 3y ago

srid 3y ago

> I have uBlock Origin enabled, but it has barely caught anything that slipped past the browser filters. I have been completely satisfied with Brave's builtin ad-blocker. Does uBlock Origin catch anything in particular that the builtin one does not?

rozab 3y ago
I couldn't see Brave being able to counter, say, the recent YouTube anti-adblock push as quickly as the open source community did. I could see that kind of stunt becoming more common as Google tries to nail the coffin shut and deny their competitors this USP
SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
Brave's ad blocking is compatible (and uses) the uBlock Origin lists, so you shouldn't really notice a difference between having uBO enabled or disabled in brave.
deleted 3y ago
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Diti 3y ago

If by performance you mean browser performance, you have more performance with Firefox nowadays. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883

jacooper 3y ago
While still not being as secure as chromium and still not supporting many advanced features like WebGpu.
FoodWThrow 3y ago
I use firefox because it has the most hassle-free hardware decoding in linux. However, everything basically feels better with Brave, even with the same amount of plug-ins.
- kristianp 3y ago
  I found the snap update notifications too annoying on Ubuntu, so I tried the ppa. But it the video plugin would crash. So back to Chrome for me.
  - 1xdevnet 3y ago
    Curious whether you've tried with the new (non-PPA) repo directly from Mozilla as of v122 [1]. I think the old PPA was also Mozilla, so I don't know what may have changed aside from being more publicly acknowledged. Might be worth a try? I don't have an Ubuntu VM at-hand but on Debian bookworm it installed fine, and (after tweaking one line in profiles.ini to point to my old ESR profile) it loaded and played Widevine-protected videos without any issues. [1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w...
    - kristianp 3y ago
      Thanks, I'll give that a try.

danShumway 3y ago

This has come up a few times, but as far as I know Gorhill is planning to full-on drop support for Chromium browsers outside of uBO Lite. Does Brave keeping Manifest V2 matter if developers stop maintaining the Chromium version of those extensions? I also still can't really find if Brave has an extension store or if it's connecting to Chrome's. If it's the latter, then it seems like V2 extensions are going away for Brave regardless of what API decisions it makes, because short of sideloading them the addons won't be on the Chrome web store anymore and won't be getting updates. I assume Brave supports sideloading extensions, and maybe developers would maintain extensions for Chromium that can't actually be used in Chrome? Although that seems a little optimistic. But not having a way to search for V2 extensions or get ratings/reviews seems like it will still be a problem for users.

Departed7405 3y ago
Brave indeed use the Chrome Web Store.