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So millions of people commuting by train suffer because of selfish drivers who keep killing people?

Amezarak 3y ago
They're suffering a very minor inconvenience. They could read a book, pull out a tablet or a laptop, read the newspaper, do nothing, talk to their fellow commuters, etc. So yes, thousands of lives in exchange for millions of people not being able to doomscroll Facebook and Tiktok during their train commute seems OK. Driving while distracted is already a crime in lots of places, there's variable enforcement, but it's not making a big dent. Something else needs to be done. It's bizarre to me how strong the reactions against this are. You're talking about suffering: I'm talking about returning to what was the status quo not that many years ago. This is addict behavior.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  I do not own a car, but I do take the train lots of places, and I enjoy being able to communicate with people while I commute. For what it's worth, I agree that distracted driving is a huge problem, which is a big part of why I would like to see a drastic reduction in the rate of car ownership, the number of cars in our cities, and extremely harsh punishments for drivers who kill people. We also should make it much, much easier to live far away from cars, but close to other people, in developments like https://www.bloommerwede.nl/ https://www.bloommerwede.nl/ for instance. This reminds me of how MADD looked at drunk driving and decided the problem was all alcohol and not, in fact, car dependency.
  - Amezarak 3y ago
    Well, again: which do you think is easier? 1. Two software companies making a software change. 2. Convincing (or forcing) hundreds of millions of people to stop driving, reorganizing cities, eliminating rural and suburban living to the greatest extent possible. I too enjoy using my phone while traveling. But if I couldn't, it'd be no skin off my back most of the time. And, I mentioned only disabling the screen, not the whole phone.
- afiori 3y ago
  Honestly I would be more in favour of limiting car speed to 5mph
yonatan8070 3y ago
People commuting by train, bus, taxi, ridesharing... Having phones disable themselves while moving fast is absolutely ridiculous, imaging if you're on a 4 hour bus ride and can't communicate with people you need to meet at your destination. Not anyone can or is willing to carry a laptop or tablet with them everywhere, especially if you're taking a bus or are a passenger in a car
- Amezarak 3y ago
  I don't have to imagine that scenario, that's how it worked for most of my life and how it still works on some of my travel. Also, there'd be nothing to stop you from saying "Hey Siri, call so and so." Only the screen would be disabled.

They're suffering a very minor inconvenience. They could read a book, pull out a tablet or a laptop, read the newspaper, do nothing, talk to their fellow commuters, etc. So yes, thousands of lives in exchange for millions of people not being able to doomscroll Facebook and Tiktok during their train commute seems OK. Driving while distracted is already a crime in lots of places, there's variable enforcement, but it's not making a big dent. Something else needs to be done. It's bizarre to me how strong the reactions against this are. You're talking about suffering: I'm talking about returning to what was the status quo not that many years ago. This is addict behavior.

CalRobert 3y ago
I do not own a car, but I do take the train lots of places, and I enjoy being able to communicate with people while I commute. For what it's worth, I agree that distracted driving is a huge problem, which is a big part of why I would like to see a drastic reduction in the rate of car ownership, the number of cars in our cities, and extremely harsh punishments for drivers who kill people. We also should make it much, much easier to live far away from cars, but close to other people, in developments like https://www.bloommerwede.nl/ https://www.bloommerwede.nl/ for instance. This reminds me of how MADD looked at drunk driving and decided the problem was all alcohol and not, in fact, car dependency.
- Amezarak 3y ago
  Well, again: which do you think is easier? 1. Two software companies making a software change. 2. Convincing (or forcing) hundreds of millions of people to stop driving, reorganizing cities, eliminating rural and suburban living to the greatest extent possible. I too enjoy using my phone while traveling. But if I couldn't, it'd be no skin off my back most of the time. And, I mentioned only disabling the screen, not the whole phone.
afiori 3y ago
Honestly I would be more in favour of limiting car speed to 5mph

yonatan8070 3y ago

People commuting by train, bus, taxi, ridesharing... Having phones disable themselves while moving fast is absolutely ridiculous, imaging if you're on a 4 hour bus ride and can't communicate with people you need to meet at your destination. Not anyone can or is willing to carry a laptop or tablet with them everywhere, especially if you're taking a bus or are a passenger in a car

Amezarak 3y ago
I don't have to imagine that scenario, that's how it worked for most of my life and how it still works on some of my travel. Also, there'd be nothing to stop you from saying "Hey Siri, call so and so." Only the screen would be disabled.