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yes and if I make toast on my toaster I'm still taking advantage of the UI, technology, research that went into it, the branding and look and the possible custo

yes and if I make toast on my toaster I'm still taking advantage of the UI, technology, research that went into it, the branding and look and the possible customer support if it ever breaks. So I should pay 50 cent per toast. You see... rhetorically it's always possible to come up with something clever to make people believe in a certain reality.

sroussey 3y ago
Don’t forget all the 5G technology. ATT should get 30% of all iPhone revenue that connects to their network!
- kanbara 3y ago
  have you heard of licensing for chip technologies? maybe from qualcomm? the reason apple doesnt pay carriers is that the market has changed and handset makers have more power. also phones work on wifi too ;)
  - Dracophoenix 3y ago
    You jest, but AT&T co-invented the first practical implementation of what would become Wi-fi (i.e. WaveLAN). There's probably some agreement between Qualcomm and AT&T, Alcatel-Lucent, or whatever holding company retains the rights these days.
firecall 3y ago
Exactly! I was about to come up with a similar analogy. The horrific example is Auto Makers charging each time you drive or take a passenger in your car. Or how about charging to use a Sofa every time a customer sits on it because you licensed the fabric! LOL Where will it end! At this point Apple are inhibiting the growth and vitality of our Capitalist Democracies and we need to resolve this issue. I’m an Apple share holder and all-in on the Apple eco system, and even I can agree that none of this is healthy.
MagicMoonlight 3y ago
That's why you pay to buy the toaster... If I took your toasters of the back of a truck, added "Powered by MagicMoonlight" on the side and started getting people to pay me for them, I'd imagine you'd be displeased. You built the toaster and now I'm making all the money from it. I'll tell you that I'm the one covering all the marketing budget and the electricity bill so it's not even affecting you, but is that really the case?
kanbara 3y ago
this analogy doesnt work because it’s not at all even in the same realm of utility or function. the reality, as you say, is that development and operation of services and APIs isnt free, and you are not entitled to sell your apps to apple’s users. the og iPhone didnt even have an app store; a lot of work went into making a great product and an ecosystem. developers and apple enjoy a certain relationship, and users love iOS apps, but its not true that developers have the right to do whatever they want (privacy, security, not their platform). go invent your own OS and phone then

sroussey 3y ago

Don’t forget all the 5G technology. ATT should get 30% of all iPhone revenue that connects to their network!

kanbara 3y ago
have you heard of licensing for chip technologies? maybe from qualcomm? the reason apple doesnt pay carriers is that the market has changed and handset makers have more power. also phones work on wifi too ;)
- Dracophoenix 3y ago
  You jest, but AT&T co-invented the first practical implementation of what would become Wi-fi (i.e. WaveLAN). There's probably some agreement between Qualcomm and AT&T, Alcatel-Lucent, or whatever holding company retains the rights these days.

firecall 3y ago

Exactly! I was about to come up with a similar analogy. The horrific example is Auto Makers charging each time you drive or take a passenger in your car. Or how about charging to use a Sofa every time a customer sits on it because you licensed the fabric! LOL Where will it end! At this point Apple are inhibiting the growth and vitality of our Capitalist Democracies and we need to resolve this issue. I’m an Apple share holder and all-in on the Apple eco system, and even I can agree that none of this is healthy.

MagicMoonlight 3y ago

That's why you pay to buy the toaster... If I took your toasters of the back of a truck, added "Powered by MagicMoonlight" on the side and started getting people to pay me for them, I'd imagine you'd be displeased. You built the toaster and now I'm making all the money from it. I'll tell you that I'm the one covering all the marketing budget and the electricity bill so it's not even affecting you, but is that really the case?

kanbara 3y ago

this analogy doesnt work because it’s not at all even in the same realm of utility or function. the reality, as you say, is that development and operation of services and APIs isnt free, and you are not entitled to sell your apps to apple’s users. the og iPhone didnt even have an app store; a lot of work went into making a great product and an ecosystem. developers and apple enjoy a certain relationship, and users love iOS apps, but its not true that developers have the right to do whatever they want (privacy, security, not their platform). go invent your own OS and phone then