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> Somehow, despite that, society remains intact and people are mostly ok with using those platforms with reasonable success Are they? Anecdotally in my family,

> Somehow, despite that, society remains intact and people are mostly ok with using those platforms with reasonable success Are they? Anecdotally in my family, kids and the old people don't get Androids for that reason. And we were regularly dealing with viruses and adcrap on their Windows machines so they got them iPads instead. Some also got Macs. While Mac is not perfectly secure, I am not regularly cleaning garbage toolbars off then anymore. The market share of Windows and Android is falling.

smt88 3y ago
I also use an iPhone only because of iMessage. It's a massive downgrade in stability and usability from my Pixel 3, and I hate it every day. Siri, especially, is unfathomably bad. It's impossible to imagine anyone on the Siri team uses it regularly.
- superb_dev 3y ago
  Other than Siri, what stability or usability issues are you experiencing?
  - smt88 3y ago
    Bluetooth, Safari, and Photos bugs. It's like things often get into a broken state and I have to restart the phone to fix them. I've been writing software for 28 years. I can tell Apple is bad at it. iOS or 1st-party apps are the buggiest software I use on most days of my life.
whyoh 3y ago
>Anecdotally in my family, kids and the old people don't get Androids for that reason. Anecdotally, I'm not seeing malware as a significant problem on Android, even with most people using phones that haven't been updated in years. The app sandboxing apparently works well enough and most people don't "sideload" anyway. Android also has parental controls and stuff, which lets you restrict it further. And, frankly, I would not give children unrestricted iPhone access, either; there's plenty of harmful content in the official App Store and Safari. I agree that sideloading technically adds some risks, but it's overblown in these discussions, often at the cost of more serious concerns (see what smartphones are doing to children and teenagers in general).

smt88 3y ago

I also use an iPhone only because of iMessage. It's a massive downgrade in stability and usability from my Pixel 3, and I hate it every day. Siri, especially, is unfathomably bad. It's impossible to imagine anyone on the Siri team uses it regularly.

superb_dev 3y ago
Other than Siri, what stability or usability issues are you experiencing?
- smt88 3y ago
  Bluetooth, Safari, and Photos bugs. It's like things often get into a broken state and I have to restart the phone to fix them. I've been writing software for 28 years. I can tell Apple is bad at it. iOS or 1st-party apps are the buggiest software I use on most days of my life.

whyoh 3y ago

>Anecdotally in my family, kids and the old people don't get Androids for that reason. Anecdotally, I'm not seeing malware as a significant problem on Android, even with most people using phones that haven't been updated in years. The app sandboxing apparently works well enough and most people don't "sideload" anyway. Android also has parental controls and stuff, which lets you restrict it further. And, frankly, I would not give children unrestricted iPhone access, either; there's plenty of harmful content in the official App Store and Safari. I agree that sideloading technically adds some risks, but it's overblown in these discussions, often at the cost of more serious concerns (see what smartphones are doing to children and teenagers in general).