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Who are the philosophers of today (the serious, intellectual, professional ones)? Who is at Oxford? Who is the Wittgenstein?

totetsu 3y ago
Is this a rhetorical question? Look at the guest list here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-bites/id257042117 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-bites/id257... And here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-for-our-times/id1151965239 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-for-our-tim... And here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophers-zone/id135353439 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophers-zone/id13...
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Don't think it was rhetorical. Philosophy has kind of fallen out of popular perceptions. Or worse, actively attacked as useless. It isn't like few decades ago where Camus and Sartre were commonly known, even popular, and people would sit around having coffee and talking about interesting subjects. It would be easy to grow up today and not know any philosophers.
slibhb 3y ago
I don't know any young philosophers I find interesting. But that's not so surpising, Wittgenstein wasn't known in his lifetime outside of philosophy circles. Also, the thinkers in the linked piece were obsessed with language, i.e. they had a specific thing to work on. It's hard to think of a modern example of that in philosophy, a fertile area where there's lots to be said. Theory of mind/consciousness, e.g. Chalmers, Parfit, etc, might be an example but I don't think they're on the level of Peter Strawson, Wittgenstein, or Russell. Time will tell. Some older people are Galen Strawson (Peter's son), Daniel Dennet, Thomas Nagel and Chomsky. Kripke and Derek Parfit died recently. They're all men. Sorry. I swear I don't hate women!
- scandox 3y ago
  > They're all men. Sorry. I swear I don't hate women! It's by no means your fault. I think it's only reasonable to say that Philosophy is a discipline which develops powerful "schools" of thought and that they actively dismiss people outside their school unless they become too big to ignore. So many women would not have been encouraged to continue in Philosophy as their experience leads them into distinct channels of thought. The book Metaphysical Animals covers this in some detail and gives an interesting account of the Anscombe Wittgenstein relationship also.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    How would that affect women differently than men?
hiddencost 3y ago
One reason old philosophers were so famous was because of how difficult it was to be one (e.g., writing, having leisure time, corresponding with other philosophers). We produce orders of magnitude more, so everyone gets to pick their favorite ideology instead.
- randmeerkat 3y ago
  This is really a great answer. Even someone without money in a less than stellar horse less carriage, who listens to orchestras on demand while eating and drinking any of dozens of different drinks and an equal variety of foods while going to their “mill” to make money for their meagre existence, laments the ideas of society and philosophy, but rather than write those thoughts on plentiful and cheap paper, simply groans and and suffers rather than engaging further in the social discourse with others. Society could certainly do more and we could certainly be more engaged with one another, and poverty certainly does exist, but so many fail to realize that even the poor live better than the kings of old.
  - Avicebron 3y ago
    This always felt like a tired retrospective to me. Sure maybe they do in some absolute sense. But they aren't existing in that time period, so the only real yardstick to use is he current time/dynamics, arguments that shift scales to distort a viewpoint are not helpful.
- pharmakom 3y ago
  There was also much more low hanging fruit back then. Making significant contributions to a field only required scratching the surface.
  - morelisp 3y ago
    This feels more like a defense for some mid like a Plato than a Wittgenstein or Kripke.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
dr_dshiv 3y ago
Statistically speaking, ChatGPT
potkin 3y ago
Wittgenstein Russell and Frege were really the founders of "analytic" philosophy as a field or set of methods. Since their time philosophy has become increasingly specialised and I don't think there are contemporary equivalents. So much philosophy of [X] but whether or not that work is seen as serious by practitioners of [X] is debatable. Robert Brandom at Pittsburgh is a bit of a grand old man of philosophy and still publishing - works in in philosophy of language and philosophy of logic as well as Hegel scholarship, and his "inferentialist" approach to linguistic meaning has been at least cited by people working in proof-theoretic semantics and linguistics. Martha Nussbaum in political philosophy and ethics and David Chalmers in philosophy of mind/cognitive science also come to mind. But again I'm not sure that Chalmers is taken seriously outside of philosophers' circles.
pama 3y ago
Oxford has a super strong set of people today: https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/faculty-members https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/faculty-members
- wolverine876 3y ago
  Could you identify one or a few that stand out?
  - pama 3y ago
    Peter Millican is the world authority on Hume, and created the CS and Philosophy course at Oxford. https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/people/peter-millican https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/people/peter-millican Nick Bostrum is an occasional favorite at NH because of his early thoughts about paperclip maximizers, superintelligence and simulation. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professor-nick-bostrom https://www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professo...
eimrine 3y ago
> Who are the philosophers of today (the serious, intellectual, professional ones)? RMS
- byvirtueof 3y ago
  Had to Google this one: Richard M. Stallman.
  - eimrine 3y ago
    gnu.org - contains everything you need to research his philosophy. stallman.org - personal website, contains a lot of opinion, but I absolutely respect this man in all what he says. emacs.org (redirects to https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) - his non-philosophical work, one of two mainstream text editors for *nix.
casebash 3y ago
As someone who majored in philosophy, it's kind of embarrassing that I would struggle to name names as to who might be likely to be seen as the most brilliant by future generations. I suppose if I'm allowed to name someone who only died recently, I suspect that Derek Parfit will be remembered as someone who was simply brilliant. His teletransportation problem will remain a classic thought experiment and he'll be remembered for his work on population ethics, though it's less clear to me what the future will make of his main project: working out a unified moral theory. On the other hand, I can name some^ names as to which philosophers are most likely to be seen as influential: Currently, it's looking like Peter Singer, Toby Ord and Will MacAskill will all have had significant influence through the Effective Altruism movement. Similarly, Nick Bostrom has had significant influence through his book Superintelligence. Dan Dennet had significant influence by being one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism. His direct influence peaked a long time ago, but it remains to be seen how responsible he will ultimately be seen for the West's decline in religion (or whether this will just be seen as as trend that was happening anyway). ^ Possibly biased
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Seems like today all the hot takes are in Mind and AI. The area that is 'new' and still pushing understanding. Dan Dennett, as one? Chalmers?
bakuninsbart 3y ago
Derek Parfait is one of the greatest philosophers in my opinion. He died too young, but his philosophy can be called contemporary. If you're interested, his book "Reasons and Persons" is central and quite accessible. Part 1 is boring to some, but can safely be skipped in that case.
fragmede 3y ago
Judith Butler, Slavoj Žižek, Daniel Dennett, Martha Nussbaum, Jürgen Habermas, Peter Singer, Noam Chomsky, Cornel West, Kwame Anthony Appiah, Alain Badiou...

totetsu 3y ago

Is this a rhetorical question? Look at the guest list here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-bites/id257042117 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-bites/id257... And here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-for-our-times/id1151965239 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophy-for-our-tim... And here https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophers-zone/id135353439 https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/philosophers-zone/id13...

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Don't think it was rhetorical. Philosophy has kind of fallen out of popular perceptions. Or worse, actively attacked as useless. It isn't like few decades ago where Camus and Sartre were commonly known, even popular, and people would sit around having coffee and talking about interesting subjects. It would be easy to grow up today and not know any philosophers.

slibhb 3y ago

I don't know any young philosophers I find interesting. But that's not so surpising, Wittgenstein wasn't known in his lifetime outside of philosophy circles. Also, the thinkers in the linked piece were obsessed with language, i.e. they had a specific thing to work on. It's hard to think of a modern example of that in philosophy, a fertile area where there's lots to be said. Theory of mind/consciousness, e.g. Chalmers, Parfit, etc, might be an example but I don't think they're on the level of Peter Strawson, Wittgenstein, or Russell. Time will tell. Some older people are Galen Strawson (Peter's son), Daniel Dennet, Thomas Nagel and Chomsky. Kripke and Derek Parfit died recently. They're all men. Sorry. I swear I don't hate women!

scandox 3y ago
> They're all men. Sorry. I swear I don't hate women! It's by no means your fault. I think it's only reasonable to say that Philosophy is a discipline which develops powerful "schools" of thought and that they actively dismiss people outside their school unless they become too big to ignore. So many women would not have been encouraged to continue in Philosophy as their experience leads them into distinct channels of thought. The book Metaphysical Animals covers this in some detail and gives an interesting account of the Anscombe Wittgenstein relationship also.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  How would that affect women differently than men?

hiddencost 3y ago

One reason old philosophers were so famous was because of how difficult it was to be one (e.g., writing, having leisure time, corresponding with other philosophers). We produce orders of magnitude more, so everyone gets to pick their favorite ideology instead.

randmeerkat 3y ago
This is really a great answer. Even someone without money in a less than stellar horse less carriage, who listens to orchestras on demand while eating and drinking any of dozens of different drinks and an equal variety of foods while going to their “mill” to make money for their meagre existence, laments the ideas of society and philosophy, but rather than write those thoughts on plentiful and cheap paper, simply groans and and suffers rather than engaging further in the social discourse with others. Society could certainly do more and we could certainly be more engaged with one another, and poverty certainly does exist, but so many fail to realize that even the poor live better than the kings of old.
- Avicebron 3y ago
  This always felt like a tired retrospective to me. Sure maybe they do in some absolute sense. But they aren't existing in that time period, so the only real yardstick to use is he current time/dynamics, arguments that shift scales to distort a viewpoint are not helpful.
pharmakom 3y ago
There was also much more low hanging fruit back then. Making significant contributions to a field only required scratching the surface.
- morelisp 3y ago
  This feels more like a defense for some mid like a Plato than a Wittgenstein or Kripke.
- wolverine876 3y ago

dr_dshiv 3y ago

Statistically speaking, ChatGPT

potkin 3y ago

Wittgenstein Russell and Frege were really the founders of "analytic" philosophy as a field or set of methods. Since their time philosophy has become increasingly specialised and I don't think there are contemporary equivalents. So much philosophy of [X] but whether or not that work is seen as serious by practitioners of [X] is debatable. Robert Brandom at Pittsburgh is a bit of a grand old man of philosophy and still publishing - works in in philosophy of language and philosophy of logic as well as Hegel scholarship, and his "inferentialist" approach to linguistic meaning has been at least cited by people working in proof-theoretic semantics and linguistics. Martha Nussbaum in political philosophy and ethics and David Chalmers in philosophy of mind/cognitive science also come to mind. But again I'm not sure that Chalmers is taken seriously outside of philosophers' circles.

pama 3y ago

Oxford has a super strong set of people today: https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/faculty-members https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/faculty-members

wolverine876 3y ago
Could you identify one or a few that stand out?
- pama 3y ago
  Peter Millican is the world authority on Hume, and created the CS and Philosophy course at Oxford. https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/people/peter-millican https://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/people/peter-millican Nick Bostrum is an occasional favorite at NH because of his early thoughts about paperclip maximizers, superintelligence and simulation. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professor-nick-bostrom https://www.ox.ac.uk/news-and-events/find-an-expert/professo...

eimrine 3y ago

> Who are the philosophers of today (the serious, intellectual, professional ones)? RMS

byvirtueof 3y ago
Had to Google this one: Richard M. Stallman.
- eimrine 3y ago
  gnu.org - contains everything you need to research his philosophy. stallman.org - personal website, contains a lot of opinion, but I absolutely respect this man in all what he says. emacs.org (redirects to https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) - his non-philosophical work, one of two mainstream text editors for *nix.

casebash 3y ago

As someone who majored in philosophy, it's kind of embarrassing that I would struggle to name names as to who might be likely to be seen as the most brilliant by future generations. I suppose if I'm allowed to name someone who only died recently, I suspect that Derek Parfit will be remembered as someone who was simply brilliant. His teletransportation problem will remain a classic thought experiment and he'll be remembered for his work on population ethics, though it's less clear to me what the future will make of his main project: working out a unified moral theory. On the other hand, I can name some^ names as to which philosophers are most likely to be seen as influential: Currently, it's looking like Peter Singer, Toby Ord and Will MacAskill will all have had significant influence through the Effective Altruism movement. Similarly, Nick Bostrom has had significant influence through his book Superintelligence. Dan Dennet had significant influence by being one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism. His direct influence peaked a long time ago, but it remains to be seen how responsible he will ultimately be seen for the West's decline in religion (or whether this will just be seen as as trend that was happening anyway). ^ Possibly biased

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

Seems like today all the hot takes are in Mind and AI. The area that is 'new' and still pushing understanding. Dan Dennett, as one? Chalmers?

bakuninsbart 3y ago

Derek Parfait is one of the greatest philosophers in my opinion. He died too young, but his philosophy can be called contemporary. If you're interested, his book "Reasons and Persons" is central and quite accessible. Part 1 is boring to some, but can safely be skipped in that case.

fragmede 3y ago

Judith Butler, Slavoj Žižek, Daniel Dennett, Martha Nussbaum, Jürgen Habermas, Peter Singer, Noam Chomsky, Cornel West, Kwame Anthony Appiah, Alain Badiou...