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Hamas directly and intentionally targeted civilians. Israel is doing what it can to limit civilian casualties while destroying Hamas. Hamas is making that very

Hamas directly and intentionally targeted civilians. Israel is doing what it can to limit civilian casualties while destroying Hamas. Hamas is making that very difficult by blending in with the population, putting command centers under major hospitals and so on.

Lord-Jobo 3y ago
> Israel is doing what it can to limit civilian casualties while destroying Hamas. You should really read the parent article at the top of the page. It doesn't support this statement and the court ruling was created from a mountain of evidence.
- Sabinus 3y ago
  How close does it come to intentionally targeting civilians?
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    They hunted down, shot, and killed multiple of their own, underwear-clad civilian citizens who were all the while waving white flags and loudly surrendering in hebrew [0] Imagine the sort of intentional targeting we don't get to see, because the journalists are killed [1] or the internet is cut [2] or the power is cut [3] or because everyone hiding is terrified to even move, knowing anything moving will be shot on sight [4], even surrendering Israeli hostages [0]. What a nightmare. Known (indeed, willing) indiscriminate killing of civilians (especially in civilian areas, yikes) is as much a war crime [5] as "intentionally targeting civilians", even if one shouts "get out of there!" or "human shields!" or "terrorists!" or "it's comin' right for us!" in a Calvinball-style declaration whilst doing it. For more detailed analysis of how Israel seems to be ignoring their obligation to protect Palestinian civilians, I recommend consulting the full ruling [6] from the ICJ, the literal judges of this matter. 0: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-rules-of-engagement-hostages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/world/middleeast/israel-h... 1: https://cpj.org/2024/01/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2024/01/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... 2: https://www.wired.com/story/israel-gaza-internet-blackouts-weapon/ https://www.wired.com/story/israel-gaza-internet-blackouts-w... 3: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67073970 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67073970 4: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-ch... 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiscriminate_attack#The_1977_Additional_Protocols_to_the_Geneva_Conventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiscriminate_attack#The_1977... 6 (PDF warning): https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...
slowturtle 3y ago
> Hamas is making that very difficult by blending in with the population, putting command centers under major hospitals and so on. If there's a command center under a hospital, then you don't bomb the hospital. The fact that your enemy is using "human shields" doesn't mean that it's justified to bomb and kill everyone, including the shields. Now every relative and friend of the innocent people you killed has a reason to pick up a gun against you. Obviously this puts you at a disadvantage. Instead of bombing targets on a screen from the comfort of an air-conditioned office in Tel Aviv, you'll have to send special forces in on the ground and probably take a lot of casualties. But you demonstrate to the civilians that you're not just killing them indiscriminately.
- LegitShady 3y ago
  >If there's a command center under a hospital, then you don't bomb the hospital. Thats not what the geneva convention says.

Lord-Jobo 3y ago

> Israel is doing what it can to limit civilian casualties while destroying Hamas. You should really read the parent article at the top of the page. It doesn't support this statement and the court ruling was created from a mountain of evidence.

Sabinus 3y ago
How close does it come to intentionally targeting civilians?
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  They hunted down, shot, and killed multiple of their own, underwear-clad civilian citizens who were all the while waving white flags and loudly surrendering in hebrew [0] Imagine the sort of intentional targeting we don't get to see, because the journalists are killed [1] or the internet is cut [2] or the power is cut [3] or because everyone hiding is terrified to even move, knowing anything moving will be shot on sight [4], even surrendering Israeli hostages [0]. What a nightmare. Known (indeed, willing) indiscriminate killing of civilians (especially in civilian areas, yikes) is as much a war crime [5] as "intentionally targeting civilians", even if one shouts "get out of there!" or "human shields!" or "terrorists!" or "it's comin' right for us!" in a Calvinball-style declaration whilst doing it. For more detailed analysis of how Israel seems to be ignoring their obligation to protect Palestinian civilians, I recommend consulting the full ruling [6] from the ICJ, the literal judges of this matter. 0: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-rules-of-engagement-hostages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/world/middleeast/israel-h... 1: https://cpj.org/2024/01/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2024/01/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... 2: https://www.wired.com/story/israel-gaza-internet-blackouts-weapon/ https://www.wired.com/story/israel-gaza-internet-blackouts-w... 3: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67073970 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67073970 4: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-ch... 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiscriminate_attack#The_1977_Additional_Protocols_to_the_Geneva_Conventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiscriminate_attack#The_1977... 6 (PDF warning): https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

slowturtle 3y ago

> Hamas is making that very difficult by blending in with the population, putting command centers under major hospitals and so on. If there's a command center under a hospital, then you don't bomb the hospital. The fact that your enemy is using "human shields" doesn't mean that it's justified to bomb and kill everyone, including the shields. Now every relative and friend of the innocent people you killed has a reason to pick up a gun against you. Obviously this puts you at a disadvantage. Instead of bombing targets on a screen from the comfort of an air-conditioned office in Tel Aviv, you'll have to send special forces in on the ground and probably take a lot of casualties. But you demonstrate to the civilians that you're not just killing them indiscriminately.

LegitShady 3y ago
>If there's a command center under a hospital, then you don't bomb the hospital. Thats not what the geneva convention says.