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> That the MENA nations who expelled their minority Jewish populations did so in a vacuum How does something occurring in Palestine justify this? Tying the act

> That the MENA nations who expelled their minority Jewish populations did so in a vacuum How does something occurring in Palestine justify this? Tying the actions of Jewish militias to your local Jewish population is antisemitic… if they expelled them to protest the creation of Israel, then that isn’t anti-Zionist. That they mostly all ended up going to Israel is ironically supporting the Zionist cause

hbt 3y ago
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- tptacek 3y ago
  This is a frankly antisemitic argument. "Dual loyalties" is practically the kernel of all antisemitism.
  - hbt 3y ago
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    - tptacek 3y ago
      No, I don't think questioning the allegiance of pogrom victims is a good play.
      - hbt 3y ago
        No, there were no reports of a pogrom against Jews in Egypt in 1956. However, during the Suez Crisis in the same year, some Jewish individuals faced increased tensions and discrimination. Many Jews eventually left Egypt, but it wasn't a pogrom in the traditional sense.
        pvg 3y ago
        In the context of a discussion about potential crimes against humanity, an argument that ethnic cleansing is sometimes ok feels particularly unconvincing.
CapricornNoble 3y ago
> How does something occurring in Palestine justify this? The real question is, would that have happened if it were not for: -demonstrated brutality against the Palestinian population -explicit creation of the Israeli state tied to a particular ethno-religious identity If there had been no violence, and if Israel had just been a newly-independent country with the creation led by but not defined by the culture of the Jewish immigrants, would there have been a purge across the region? Personally I think not. I'm trying to highlight that there is significantly more nuance to the creation of Israel beyond "we just showed up one day and everyone was mean to us for no reason" which, IMO, has surprisingly crept into numerous comments even on HN where you would expect such an educated demographic to know better...
- tptacek 3y ago
  This is again a frankly antisemitic argument. Arab Jewish people in Tunisia bore no responsibility whatsoever for what happened 1800 miles away from them. Racism isn't nuance, it's just racism.

hbt 3y ago

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tptacek 3y ago
This is a frankly antisemitic argument. "Dual loyalties" is practically the kernel of all antisemitism.
- hbt 3y ago
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  - tptacek 3y ago
    No, I don't think questioning the allegiance of pogrom victims is a good play.
    - hbt 3y ago
      No, there were no reports of a pogrom against Jews in Egypt in 1956. However, during the Suez Crisis in the same year, some Jewish individuals faced increased tensions and discrimination. Many Jews eventually left Egypt, but it wasn't a pogrom in the traditional sense.
      - pvg 3y ago
        In the context of a discussion about potential crimes against humanity, an argument that ethnic cleansing is sometimes ok feels particularly unconvincing.

CapricornNoble 3y ago

> How does something occurring in Palestine justify this? The real question is, would that have happened if it were not for: -demonstrated brutality against the Palestinian population -explicit creation of the Israeli state tied to a particular ethno-religious identity If there had been no violence, and if Israel had just been a newly-independent country with the creation led by but not defined by the culture of the Jewish immigrants, would there have been a purge across the region? Personally I think not. I'm trying to highlight that there is significantly more nuance to the creation of Israel beyond "we just showed up one day and everyone was mean to us for no reason" which, IMO, has surprisingly crept into numerous comments even on HN where you would expect such an educated demographic to know better...

tptacek 3y ago
This is again a frankly antisemitic argument. Arab Jewish people in Tunisia bore no responsibility whatsoever for what happened 1800 miles away from them. Racism isn't nuance, it's just racism.