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I'm not tipping anything towards Henry Ford, who helped popularize antisemitism in the US. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/19200522_Dearbor

I'm not tipping anything towards Henry Ford, who helped popularize antisemitism in the US. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/19200522_Dearborn_Independent-Intl_Jew.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/19200522...

itisit 3y ago
Same goes for IBM! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
- Aloha 3y ago
  This book has been fairly and as far as I can tell, widely debunked, and if you've read it, the holes in the arguments it advances are obvious and manifold. Also, the complete lack of documentary evidence doesn't help - it even overstates the importance of tabulators in the holocaust.
js2 3y ago
Lump charcoal is better in any case.
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Disagree. As do many professional pitmasters https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and-smoker-setup/how-charcoal-is-made/ https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and...
- Accujack 3y ago
  Yeah. Briquettes are basically bottom of the barrel coal powder, sawdust and other additives mixed with a binder.
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    Yeah, you would never find, rocks, metal, nylon rope, or PVC in lump charcoal [0] https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and-smoker-setup/how-charcoal-is-made/ https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and...
    - MostlyStable 3y ago
      Based on the difference in reception of my two comments in this chain, I don't think people realize that this was a sarcastic comment with a link to examples of exactly those things being found in bags of lump charcoal, shopping with a broader comparison of the properties of the two.
      - js2 3y ago
        In my own personal experience, having cooked with both, I prefer lump charcoal lit with a chimney. I've never found rocks, metal, nylon rope, or PVC left behind in my Weber. But well, that's just like, my opinion, man. The article opens with this disclaimer: "One has to be careful about generalizations here because each brand is different." I have indeed not cooked with all brands of briquets nor all brands of lump charcoal, so same disclaimer applies to my opinion.
        MostlyStable 3y ago
        Obviously anyone is allowed to like what they like, and it's not that hard to produce good food when you grill/BBQ/Smoke on almost any fuel you prefer, but there is a lot of FUD in these comments about Briquettes. They provide a clean, consistent, repeatible heat, for a very low price. This topic, like so many that touch on food in some way, gets bogged down in weird superiority complexes. I People can't just let people have different (usually read "wrong") opinions when it comes to food. You'll note that one person expressed their opinion on lump. I responded with my contrasting opinion. Only one of those two comments got downvoted. -edit- In case it wasn't clear, I don't think lump is bad. I prefer briquettes because they produce good, consistent, results (for me) at a low price. My link was meant to push back on the idea that lump was somehow "better/higher quality" than briquettes. I'm sure that one can buy cheap, poor quality briquettes that are bad in all kinds of ways. But obviously it's also possible to get bad quality lump (even if that is not representative of all brands).
bigstrat2003 3y ago
The bad things a person did do not cancel out the good. One should appreciate the good things a person did even though they disapprove of the bad.
- yakz 3y ago
  It should cancel out the credit, though. If a bad person does good things, they’re still a bad person.
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  They do when weighing up a person's overall contribution to the world. If you're one of Hitler's personal heroes, that carries a lot of weight.
Aloha 3y ago
Ford also allegedly had a stroke upon seeing film of the concentration camps. He's a mixed bag, generally - he had the engineers problem, he presumed being good at one thing, would make him good at and give him expertise in other things.
- pbj1968 3y ago
  A phenomenon frequently encountered around here. :|
refurb 3y ago
Your list of people you admire is going to be pretty damn short if the criteria is “never espoused something horrible”. And I wonder if people who have a record of your life will look back in 2023 and condemn the views you held?
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  There's a spectrum of horror when it comes to beliefs. And how much suffering they are related to is important. And I can discern "considered horrible now, but culturally normal for the time". Something like Hemingway's misogyny is gross, but culturally common at the time, and no-one who read his books tried to murder all the women. Not that he's a personal hero. Ford buying a newspaper just to warn people about the International Jewry that started WW1 wasn't culturally normal outside of certain far-right groups. And most likely the future will judge my beliefs a bit, I support the rights of women to access abortion. I'm sure in a few hundred years, abortion will be viewed as a crude intervention only practiced because our medicine was so primitive. Or my belief that human rights are more important than animal rights.
  - refurb 3y ago
    > WW1 wasn't culturally normal outside of certain far-right groups. That's absolutely not true. Anti-semitism was prevalent in the mainstream in the early 20th century. Not all that different than racism against blacks. Hell, look at surveys in part of Europe. Anti-semitism is a sizeable minority now. Imagine what it was like a century ago.

itisit 3y ago

Same goes for IBM! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Aloha 3y ago
This book has been fairly and as far as I can tell, widely debunked, and if you've read it, the holes in the arguments it advances are obvious and manifold. Also, the complete lack of documentary evidence doesn't help - it even overstates the importance of tabulators in the holocaust.

js2 3y ago

Lump charcoal is better in any case.

MostlyStable 3y ago
Disagree. As do many professional pitmasters https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and-smoker-setup/how-charcoal-is-made/ https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and...
Accujack 3y ago
Yeah. Briquettes are basically bottom of the barrel coal powder, sawdust and other additives mixed with a binder.
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Yeah, you would never find, rocks, metal, nylon rope, or PVC in lump charcoal [0] https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and-smoker-setup/how-charcoal-is-made/ https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/grill-and...
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    Based on the difference in reception of my two comments in this chain, I don't think people realize that this was a sarcastic comment with a link to examples of exactly those things being found in bags of lump charcoal, shopping with a broader comparison of the properties of the two.
    - js2 3y ago
      In my own personal experience, having cooked with both, I prefer lump charcoal lit with a chimney. I've never found rocks, metal, nylon rope, or PVC left behind in my Weber. But well, that's just like, my opinion, man. The article opens with this disclaimer: "One has to be careful about generalizations here because each brand is different." I have indeed not cooked with all brands of briquets nor all brands of lump charcoal, so same disclaimer applies to my opinion.
      - MostlyStable 3y ago
        Obviously anyone is allowed to like what they like, and it's not that hard to produce good food when you grill/BBQ/Smoke on almost any fuel you prefer, but there is a lot of FUD in these comments about Briquettes. They provide a clean, consistent, repeatible heat, for a very low price. This topic, like so many that touch on food in some way, gets bogged down in weird superiority complexes. I People can't just let people have different (usually read "wrong") opinions when it comes to food. You'll note that one person expressed their opinion on lump. I responded with my contrasting opinion. Only one of those two comments got downvoted. -edit- In case it wasn't clear, I don't think lump is bad. I prefer briquettes because they produce good, consistent, results (for me) at a low price. My link was meant to push back on the idea that lump was somehow "better/higher quality" than briquettes. I'm sure that one can buy cheap, poor quality briquettes that are bad in all kinds of ways. But obviously it's also possible to get bad quality lump (even if that is not representative of all brands).

bigstrat2003 3y ago

The bad things a person did do not cancel out the good. One should appreciate the good things a person did even though they disapprove of the bad.

yakz 3y ago
It should cancel out the credit, though. If a bad person does good things, they’re still a bad person.
EdwardDiego 3y ago
They do when weighing up a person's overall contribution to the world. If you're one of Hitler's personal heroes, that carries a lot of weight.

Aloha 3y ago

Ford also allegedly had a stroke upon seeing film of the concentration camps. He's a mixed bag, generally - he had the engineers problem, he presumed being good at one thing, would make him good at and give him expertise in other things.

pbj1968 3y ago
A phenomenon frequently encountered around here. :|

refurb 3y ago

Your list of people you admire is going to be pretty damn short if the criteria is “never espoused something horrible”. And I wonder if people who have a record of your life will look back in 2023 and condemn the views you held?

EdwardDiego 3y ago
There's a spectrum of horror when it comes to beliefs. And how much suffering they are related to is important. And I can discern "considered horrible now, but culturally normal for the time". Something like Hemingway's misogyny is gross, but culturally common at the time, and no-one who read his books tried to murder all the women. Not that he's a personal hero. Ford buying a newspaper just to warn people about the International Jewry that started WW1 wasn't culturally normal outside of certain far-right groups. And most likely the future will judge my beliefs a bit, I support the rights of women to access abortion. I'm sure in a few hundred years, abortion will be viewed as a crude intervention only practiced because our medicine was so primitive. Or my belief that human rights are more important than animal rights.
- refurb 3y ago
  > WW1 wasn't culturally normal outside of certain far-right groups. That's absolutely not true. Anti-semitism was prevalent in the mainstream in the early 20th century. Not all that different than racism against blacks. Hell, look at surveys in part of Europe. Anti-semitism is a sizeable minority now. Imagine what it was like a century ago.