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1. Cookie banners allow for informed consent. I like to see which companies are abusing my data, and take the extra couple of clicks to stop them from doing tha

1. Cookie banners allow for informed consent. I like to see which companies are abusing my data, and take the extra couple of clicks to stop them from doing that. 2. USB-C cables are ludicrously cheap and massively preferable to needing to hunt for the Apple-specific proprietary cable. Not sure why you had to explain the purchase of a $2 cable to your wife. 3. Freedom of choice means you are free to continue using the walled garden, should you wish, but others are also free to explore alternatives which is currently impossible.

darklion 3y ago
> USB-C cables are ludicrously cheap Shitty USB-C cables are ludicrously cheap. Quality cables are merely not expensive, and when you have to replace them in quantity [1], it leads to a decent amount of money having to be spent to replace otherwise perfectly fine non-USB-C cables and a whole bunch of electronic waste as those now-obsolete cables make their way to the trash bin. — [1] I easily have over a dozen and a half Lightning cables between the ones in my bedroom, my living room, my laptop bag, and my home desk. At ~$10-12 for a pair of braided Anker USB-C replacements, I’m looking at nearly a hundred dollars to replace them all.
- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  For charging, you don't need quality USB-C cables. And don't tell me lightning is quality, I've seen my friends consume them by the dozen.
  - hellotomyrars 3y ago
    Certainly the Apple cables aren’t quality. Or perhaps the better word is durable. The jacketing on the cables is a joke and gets worn through by a swift breeze. Third-party cables, for whatever connector, you get what you pay for. Is it a shame I have a good number of lightning cables that I will have no use for in the near future? Yes. I also have countless other cables that I longer have use for. I still haven’t been able to fully remove micro-usb from my life but we’re getting close and I’m glad for it. It would be much nicer to only have one type of cable in my bag, that’s for sure.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  10/2*15 = $75 And presumably you only have to replace them if you replace your phone? It's not like the change came in and you had to rush down the shops straight away for new cables.
  - darklion 3y ago
    I’m not sure how you got 10 from “a dozen and a half”; 18/212 = $108. Also, to your second point, because of the EU, everybody* who currently uses Lightning will be replacing all of their cables eventually. That’s money out of pocket sooner or later. Maybe it’s easier to swallow when it’s $12 every three months instead of $100 all in one go, but the sum doesn’t change.
    - jemmyw 3y ago
      I got 15 from a dozen and a half because I'm stupid and halved half a dozen. 10 was the lower bounds price. Anyway, $108 on cables. We're not breaking the bank here. You'll probably get to keep those cables for quite a few years. The waste bothers me more. I'm still stoked to have a single charging cable standard though.
St0n3d 3y ago
3.) that’s not exactly true. Currently, you can choose for an open system or a walled garden in which you can’t be de facto blackmailed in to leaving the walled garden. With this so called freedom of choice you mention, I am no longer able to choose for a true walled garden. If I rely on certain apps that are moved to their own store, I am forced to go there and break the walled garden. Ergo: my choice is taken away from me. For completely arbitrary reasons. As it was you had choices as a consumer; open, closed - whatever you want. But the thing I deliberately want to choose for is now taken away from me through one of the worst and most unfair business laws I’ve ever seen, that only does harm to the majority of consumers whose choice is taken away and whose privacy and safety is being weakened to destroyed. But “they have a choice to stay in their walled garden” (they just can’t use their phone the way they want and were always used to anymore if they do, but we don’t mention that part and we don’t care those millions of people are getting royally screwed over). You know, true choice could’ve been achieved if the EU had made a fair law. They didn’t and now we as consumers are going to pay a very heavy price.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
  I should point out that even with android being way more open, big apps are on the playstore

darklion 3y ago

> USB-C cables are ludicrously cheap Shitty USB-C cables are ludicrously cheap. Quality cables are merely not expensive, and when you have to replace them in quantity [1], it leads to a decent amount of money having to be spent to replace otherwise perfectly fine non-USB-C cables and a whole bunch of electronic waste as those now-obsolete cables make their way to the trash bin. — [1] I easily have over a dozen and a half Lightning cables between the ones in my bedroom, my living room, my laptop bag, and my home desk. At ~$10-12 for a pair of braided Anker USB-C replacements, I’m looking at nearly a hundred dollars to replace them all.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
For charging, you don't need quality USB-C cables. And don't tell me lightning is quality, I've seen my friends consume them by the dozen.
- hellotomyrars 3y ago
  Certainly the Apple cables aren’t quality. Or perhaps the better word is durable. The jacketing on the cables is a joke and gets worn through by a swift breeze. Third-party cables, for whatever connector, you get what you pay for. Is it a shame I have a good number of lightning cables that I will have no use for in the near future? Yes. I also have countless other cables that I longer have use for. I still haven’t been able to fully remove micro-usb from my life but we’re getting close and I’m glad for it. It would be much nicer to only have one type of cable in my bag, that’s for sure.
jemmyw 3y ago
10/2*15 = $75 And presumably you only have to replace them if you replace your phone? It's not like the change came in and you had to rush down the shops straight away for new cables.
- darklion 3y ago
  I’m not sure how you got 10 from “a dozen and a half”; 18/212 = $108. Also, to your second point, because of the EU, everybody* who currently uses Lightning will be replacing all of their cables eventually. That’s money out of pocket sooner or later. Maybe it’s easier to swallow when it’s $12 every three months instead of $100 all in one go, but the sum doesn’t change.
  - jemmyw 3y ago
    I got 15 from a dozen and a half because I'm stupid and halved half a dozen. 10 was the lower bounds price. Anyway, $108 on cables. We're not breaking the bank here. You'll probably get to keep those cables for quite a few years. The waste bothers me more. I'm still stoked to have a single charging cable standard though.

St0n3d 3y ago

3.) that’s not exactly true. Currently, you can choose for an open system or a walled garden in which you can’t be de facto blackmailed in to leaving the walled garden. With this so called freedom of choice you mention, I am no longer able to choose for a true walled garden. If I rely on certain apps that are moved to their own store, I am forced to go there and break the walled garden. Ergo: my choice is taken away from me. For completely arbitrary reasons. As it was you had choices as a consumer; open, closed - whatever you want. But the thing I deliberately want to choose for is now taken away from me through one of the worst and most unfair business laws I’ve ever seen, that only does harm to the majority of consumers whose choice is taken away and whose privacy and safety is being weakened to destroyed. But “they have a choice to stay in their walled garden” (they just can’t use their phone the way they want and were always used to anymore if they do, but we don’t mention that part and we don’t care those millions of people are getting royally screwed over). You know, true choice could’ve been achieved if the EU had made a fair law. They didn’t and now we as consumers are going to pay a very heavy price.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
I should point out that even with android being way more open, big apps are on the playstore