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> I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. What do you expect him to do? With or without any assistance, Israel has more than enough weapo

by Aunche 3y ago

> I am so deeply disappointed in the Biden administration here. What do you expect him to do? With or without any assistance, Israel has more than enough weapons completely annihilate Gaza. Don't forget that they likely have nuclear capabilities. Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint and this restraint is the first thing to go if Israel feels like it's being backed into a corner.

aaomidi 3y ago
Things like this are bad: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-... More public denouncement of what Israel is doing. Get the Department of State to start sanctioning heads of state of Israel that are actively calling for a genocide. He's effectively done nothing other than "handling it in private."
krainboltgreene 3y ago
> What do you expect him to do? At least as much as Ronald Regan: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outraged-President-Reagan-telephoned-Israeli-Prime/8829397972800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outrag...
- Aunche 3y ago
  A major difference is that Israel instigated the first large scale attacks in the 1982 War, whereas Hamas instigated the ongoing war.
  - krainboltgreene 3y ago
    This is only the interpretation if you ignore the various killings of palestinians and journalists prior to October 7th at the hands of IDF: https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalists-died-by-israeli-military-fire-in-22-years-no-one-has-been-held-accountable/ https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalist... Or when Israel bombed Gaza two months after the previous cease fire: https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-bombs-gaza-city-2nd-day-strikes-breaking/story?id=78345366 https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-bombs-gaza-city-...
rufus_foreman 3y ago
>> Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint From the section of the ICJ ruling dealing with dehumanizing language used by Israeli officials: > "I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals" -- Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  Ok but they haven't literally released all restraints because no nuclear weapons have been used.
  - pphysch 3y ago
    Why would they use nuclear weapons on territory they intend to annex and settle?
    - arwineap 3y ago
      Modern nukes don't have lasting radiation fallout
      - __loam 3y ago
        Imagine making excuses for breaking the nuclear taboo. That is the level this discourse is at.
      - nojvek 3y ago
        You have sources for that? From everything I’ve studied all super bombs (hydrogen fusion bombs) are also fission bombs. Since it is a chain of different kind of explosion stages that finally get the fusion reaction started. First convention explosives then fission then fusion. If they put it on Hamas, the radiation fallout would hit Israel pretty hard depending on winds. It would fuck up Middle East in an awful way. Pretty much guarantee the Middle East Muslim countries ganging together to wipe out Israel completely.
    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
tda 3y ago
I am not so sure. I believe Israel only exists by the mercy of support from their Allies. The minute they lose that support Israel is doomed. The country is surrounded by enemies on all sides. Sure their military could win a conventional war with their nukes against any of their neighbors. But on the long term a small country with a small population and limited natural resources needs friends to run an economy big enough to support the huge military it needs to defend itself. And Israel is running out of friends fast. Sympathy for Israel in the West is surely declining at lightning speed with the current situation, I would not be surprised if this conflict is the start of the end of the country
- nojvek 3y ago
  Israel seems to be optimizing for the short win at the cost of losing who they are. Granted Hamas attacked them first but their actions give Jews worldwide a bad rep.
  - nerpderp82 3y ago
    What is nuts is that the Zionists have convinced everyone that that they speak for all Jews. I have so much respect for the activists in Israel that must face immense social and political pressure.
shakil 3y ago
All the US has to do is: nothing. Stop sending over tank shells [1], Fighter jets and attack helicopters [2], deploying aircraft carriers [3] and stop vetoing UN Security Council resolutions trying to impose a ceasefire [4] 1. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/biden-administration-emergency-authority-tank-shells-israel https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/biden-admini... 2. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-25/ty-article/.premium/u-s-and-israel-finalize-major-military-aircraft-deals-amid-gaza-war/0000018d-4234-d35c-a39f-ea7e5b8c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-25/ty-article/.p... 3. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-aircraft-carrier-to-remain-in-mediterranean-near-israel-officials-say-/7400248.html https://www.voanews.com/a/us-aircraft-carrier-to-remain-in-m... 4. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution-ceasefire-humanitarian-6d3bfd31d6c25168e828274d96b85cf8 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution...

by Aunche 3y ago

aaomidi 3y ago

Things like this are bad: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-... More public denouncement of what Israel is doing. Get the Department of State to start sanctioning heads of state of Israel that are actively calling for a genocide. He's effectively done nothing other than "handling it in private."

krainboltgreene 3y ago

> What do you expect him to do? At least as much as Ronald Regan: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outraged-President-Reagan-telephoned-Israeli-Prime/8829397972800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/12/A-shocked-and-outrag...

Aunche 3y ago
A major difference is that Israel instigated the first large scale attacks in the 1982 War, whereas Hamas instigated the ongoing war.
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  This is only the interpretation if you ignore the various killings of palestinians and journalists prior to October 7th at the hands of IDF: https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalists-died-by-israeli-military-fire-in-22-years-no-one-has-been-held-accountable/ https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalist... Or when Israel bombed Gaza two months after the previous cease fire: https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-bombs-gaza-city-2nd-day-strikes-breaking/story?id=78345366 https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-bombs-gaza-city-...

rufus_foreman 3y ago

>> Israel believes they are demonstrating restraint From the section of the ICJ ruling dealing with dehumanizing language used by Israeli officials: > "I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals" -- Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel

sebzim4500 3y ago
Ok but they haven't literally released all restraints because no nuclear weapons have been used.
- pphysch 3y ago
  Why would they use nuclear weapons on territory they intend to annex and settle?
  - arwineap 3y ago
    Modern nukes don't have lasting radiation fallout
    - __loam 3y ago
      Imagine making excuses for breaking the nuclear taboo. That is the level this discourse is at.
    - nojvek 3y ago
      You have sources for that? From everything I’ve studied all super bombs (hydrogen fusion bombs) are also fission bombs. Since it is a chain of different kind of explosion stages that finally get the fusion reaction started. First convention explosives then fission then fusion. If they put it on Hamas, the radiation fallout would hit Israel pretty hard depending on winds. It would fuck up Middle East in an awful way. Pretty much guarantee the Middle East Muslim countries ganging together to wipe out Israel completely.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago

tda 3y ago

I am not so sure. I believe Israel only exists by the mercy of support from their Allies. The minute they lose that support Israel is doomed. The country is surrounded by enemies on all sides. Sure their military could win a conventional war with their nukes against any of their neighbors. But on the long term a small country with a small population and limited natural resources needs friends to run an economy big enough to support the huge military it needs to defend itself. And Israel is running out of friends fast. Sympathy for Israel in the West is surely declining at lightning speed with the current situation, I would not be surprised if this conflict is the start of the end of the country

nojvek 3y ago
Israel seems to be optimizing for the short win at the cost of losing who they are. Granted Hamas attacked them first but their actions give Jews worldwide a bad rep.
- nerpderp82 3y ago
  What is nuts is that the Zionists have convinced everyone that that they speak for all Jews. I have so much respect for the activists in Israel that must face immense social and political pressure.

shakil 3y ago

All the US has to do is: nothing. Stop sending over tank shells [1], Fighter jets and attack helicopters [2], deploying aircraft carriers [3] and stop vetoing UN Security Council resolutions trying to impose a ceasefire [4] 1. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/biden-administration-emergency-authority-tank-shells-israel https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/09/biden-admini... 2. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-25/ty-article/.premium/u-s-and-israel-finalize-major-military-aircraft-deals-amid-gaza-war/0000018d-4234-d35c-a39f-ea7e5b8c0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-25/ty-article/.p... 3. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-aircraft-carrier-to-remain-in-mediterranean-near-israel-officials-say-/7400248.html https://www.voanews.com/a/us-aircraft-carrier-to-remain-in-m... 4. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution-ceasefire-humanitarian-6d3bfd31d6c25168e828274d96b85cf8 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution...