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>design some file-organizing system that involves giving research images a sensible name. And then when it comes to checking your paper before you publish it, y
by 1970-01-01 3y ago
>design some file-organizing system that involves giving research images a sensible name. And then when it comes to checking your paper before you publish it, you need to trace back all the images to the raw data and check them against the metadata. For example, if you have a photo labelled as ‘Day three’, does that correspond to the date the photo was taken or that the experiment happened on?
Blockchain, but with human-readable metadata? Sure sounds like it is do-able.
- LordShredda 3y agoNo, a notepad.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoData is taken from other papers, it cannot be centralized.
- TylerE 3y agoSince we're talking about immutable data...sure it can. If you really need to prove provenance of the metadata, surely a checksum is enough?
- stonogo 3y agoYou just photograph the notepad and release it as an artifact alongside the paper, if you don't feel like typing it up.
- bafe 3y agoOr you skip the notepad and use a tablet and an electronic lab notebook. I know of a few researcher doing this successfully, but for this to work at scale senior scientists and group leaders need to force everyone in their labs to do the same
- bafe 3y agoOr maybe just adopt the modern solution and use a electronic lab notebook (ELN). I'm a software engineer and we are trying to introduce ELN in our institution, it's not easy to convince researchers of the benefits of reproducibility. People really just use manual methods like "sensible names"
- akoboldfrying 3y agoWhat is an ELN?
- bafe 3y agoElectronic lab notebook.
- analog31 3y agoAn issue, and maybe you can speak to this from experience, is the dread of Enterprise Software. The notebook has to support recording any kind of information, be accessible anywhere, even on tiny laptop screens, and otherwise stay out of the way. It should involve little or no manual data transfer. It should probably work harmoniously with git. For some of us, investing brain cells in the use of proprietary software might be a negative. For my work, Jupyter notebooks are the best solution I've found. A wet chemist might have a different opinion.
- bafe 3y agoThere are plenty of non commercial, non enterprise ELN system. With all their down sides, they are all pretty similar and relatively easy to use (they could use better UI but that's often a problem in research). I think it's almost completely a cultural problem
- fabian2k 3y agoNo need for any blockchains here, this essentially describes an SDMS (scientific data management system). Which do exist, but are not very common outside of larger companies. And the more common Electronic Lab Notebooks (ELN) are in most cases only connected to the original data in a rather haphazard way, if at all. You need to make the entire process digital, from measuring the data to tranferring and storing it and then linking it in your ELN or any other place you make use of it. That's a process that is only just beginning in many cases, if at all.
- downrightmike 3y agoImage certification is already a thing https://rohitbhargava.com/leica-pioneers-the-anti-ai-camera-that-fights-deepfakes-by-certifying-every-picture/ https://rohitbhargava.com/leica-pioneers-the-anti-ai-camera-...