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I can assure you Israel will most likely ignore any resolution that does not involve the hostages returning.

by xenospn 3y ago

freeone3000 3y ago
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MisterBastahrd 3y ago
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GordonS 3y ago
If they cared about the hostages, they wouldn't be bombing them to death on a daily basis, shooting those that escape, or gassing them in tunnels. The hostages are nothing more than political pawns to Netanyahu. Keep in mind that Hamas reiterated their ceasefire deal recently, which includes the release of all hostages, and Israel rejected it.
- halflife 3y ago
  It also included the release of the thousands of terrorists that were captured in Israeli borders in oct 7th. People with actual blood on their hands, and a guarantee for hamas to stay in power. Moreover, Israel offered hamas a ceasefire if they release all the hostages and exile their top 6 leaders. That offer was rejected by hamas. So please don’t present such a one sided view
  - GordonS 3y ago
    > Moreover, Israel offered hamas a ceasefire if they release all the hostages and exile their top 6 leaders. That offer was rejected by hamas. That wasn't a serious ceasefire offer, and you've left out the reasons why: it was a pause of 2 months, not a ceasefire offer at all! Furthermore, Israel wouldn't release the hostages they are holding. Why would anyone agree to release the hostages in exchange for nothing but a brief pause of genocide? Netanyahu knew Hamas wouldn't agree to it; he only even made the offer because he'd turned down the Hamas offer first, and so needed a different story for the media to run with. Which worked just fine of course - MSM ran with "Hamas reject ceasefire" without even mentioning the Hamas offer.
    - halflife 3y ago
      And a ceasefire offer from Hamas that releases thousands of killers while absolving Hamas from any wrong doing is a serious one?
      - GordonS 3y ago
        "thousands of killers" is just rhetoric; Hamas could argue that the IDF hostages they hold were "killers". Meanwhile, many of the hostages held by Israel are held without even being charged. From what I've seen, it's quite obvious that many are innocent civilians, and hundreds of them are children. We've also seen evidence that Israel tortures its prisoners, and that rape is endemic - which is probably why Israel won't let the Red Cross near them (something else it complains Hamas won't do). Israel is behaving like a rogue state.
        halflife 3y ago
        1 year old baby can be argued as a killer? Meanwhile the actual killers were caught live while killing Israelis in their homes in oct 7, they even filmed themselves and bragged about it. Pretty damning evidence. Conflating the hostages to the Israeli prisoners is terrorist rhetoric, not genuine rhetoric. Palestinian prisoners had access to the Red Cross up until oct 7, at which point the Red Cross was pretty useless and one sided against Israel. Do you have any proof of rape accusations being endemic?
        GordonS 3y ago
        > 1 year old baby can be argued as a killer? Strawman - I explicitly referred to those hostages that were members of the IDF. > Conflating the hostages to the Israeli prisoners is terrorist rhetoric Ah, so anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist? I see you. You're also implying that all hostages held by Israel were involved in the attack on 7/10 - blatantly untrue. Several Israeli soldiers are on camera saying they take Palestinians hostage purely so they have something to exchange with Hamas - this has been going on for years. > Red Cross was pretty useless and one sided against Israel. I'm sorry, but this is the kind of nonsense that spokespeople (like Eylon Levy) and career racists (like David Colier) like to espouse - everyone who disagrees with Israel's genocidal actions is an antisemite and/or Hamas lover. "The Red Cross are Hamas". "The UN are Hamas". Honestly, it's pretty pathetic. On Israeli guards torturing and raping Palestinian prisoners, including children, there is a wealth of evidence and many, many video interviews with victims. Here is just one story: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-criminalized-group-following-report-raped-palestinian-child https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-cr...
SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
Hostages are undesireable for Israel, as earlier they die/be killed the lesser leverage hamas will have. Besides, they will all be dangerous to official narrative, as they seem to have been treated ok by the militants.
- pgeorgi 3y ago
  You mean they were raped ok by the militants? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/there-wasnt-a-moment-freed-hostages-in-testimony-on-hamas-captivity-4919305 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/there-wasnt-a-moment-freed-h...
  - Gunnerhead 3y ago
    Not this claim in particular, but existing claims of rape allegations have been debunked: https://x.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1748390405173842099?s=46&t=i7RhkK5aPl-IJMUV2-QinA https://x.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1748390405173842099?s=4... Meanwhile, Josh Paul, a former US State Department official, detailed how a 13 year old kid was raped in an Israeli prison and “The State Department's inquiry into the case resulted in Israeli officials shutting down the charity involved in bringing the case to light.” https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/amp/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state...
    - xenospn 3y ago
      There are Hamas rape videos, you can easily find them using a simple reddit search. Please stop spreading propaganda.
      - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
        These have not independently confirmed. There is a history of passing by israel of Mexican cartel videos and photos of military women perished in other Middle Eastern conflicts as atrocities commited by Hamas . I am not saying that Hamas did not (or did) commit the crimes on videos, it just the source is so reliably untrustworthy, so the videos cannot be taken seriously.

I can assure you Israel will most likely ignore any resolution that does not involve the hostages returning.

freeone3000 3y ago

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MisterBastahrd 3y ago

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GordonS 3y ago

If they cared about the hostages, they wouldn't be bombing them to death on a daily basis, shooting those that escape, or gassing them in tunnels. The hostages are nothing more than political pawns to Netanyahu. Keep in mind that Hamas reiterated their ceasefire deal recently, which includes the release of all hostages, and Israel rejected it.

halflife 3y ago
It also included the release of the thousands of terrorists that were captured in Israeli borders in oct 7th. People with actual blood on their hands, and a guarantee for hamas to stay in power. Moreover, Israel offered hamas a ceasefire if they release all the hostages and exile their top 6 leaders. That offer was rejected by hamas. So please don’t present such a one sided view
- GordonS 3y ago
  > Moreover, Israel offered hamas a ceasefire if they release all the hostages and exile their top 6 leaders. That offer was rejected by hamas. That wasn't a serious ceasefire offer, and you've left out the reasons why: it was a pause of 2 months, not a ceasefire offer at all! Furthermore, Israel wouldn't release the hostages they are holding. Why would anyone agree to release the hostages in exchange for nothing but a brief pause of genocide? Netanyahu knew Hamas wouldn't agree to it; he only even made the offer because he'd turned down the Hamas offer first, and so needed a different story for the media to run with. Which worked just fine of course - MSM ran with "Hamas reject ceasefire" without even mentioning the Hamas offer.
  - halflife 3y ago
    And a ceasefire offer from Hamas that releases thousands of killers while absolving Hamas from any wrong doing is a serious one?
    - GordonS 3y ago
      "thousands of killers" is just rhetoric; Hamas could argue that the IDF hostages they hold were "killers". Meanwhile, many of the hostages held by Israel are held without even being charged. From what I've seen, it's quite obvious that many are innocent civilians, and hundreds of them are children. We've also seen evidence that Israel tortures its prisoners, and that rape is endemic - which is probably why Israel won't let the Red Cross near them (something else it complains Hamas won't do). Israel is behaving like a rogue state.
      - halflife 3y ago
        1 year old baby can be argued as a killer? Meanwhile the actual killers were caught live while killing Israelis in their homes in oct 7, they even filmed themselves and bragged about it. Pretty damning evidence. Conflating the hostages to the Israeli prisoners is terrorist rhetoric, not genuine rhetoric. Palestinian prisoners had access to the Red Cross up until oct 7, at which point the Red Cross was pretty useless and one sided against Israel. Do you have any proof of rape accusations being endemic?
        GordonS 3y ago
        > 1 year old baby can be argued as a killer? Strawman - I explicitly referred to those hostages that were members of the IDF. > Conflating the hostages to the Israeli prisoners is terrorist rhetoric Ah, so anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist? I see you. You're also implying that all hostages held by Israel were involved in the attack on 7/10 - blatantly untrue. Several Israeli soldiers are on camera saying they take Palestinians hostage purely so they have something to exchange with Hamas - this has been going on for years. > Red Cross was pretty useless and one sided against Israel. I'm sorry, but this is the kind of nonsense that spokespeople (like Eylon Levy) and career racists (like David Colier) like to espouse - everyone who disagrees with Israel's genocidal actions is an antisemite and/or Hamas lover. "The Red Cross are Hamas". "The UN are Hamas". Honestly, it's pretty pathetic. On Israeli guards torturing and raping Palestinian prisoners, including children, there is a wealth of evidence and many, many video interviews with victims. Here is just one story: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-criminalized-group-following-report-raped-palestinian-child https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-cr...

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago

Hostages are undesireable for Israel, as earlier they die/be killed the lesser leverage hamas will have. Besides, they will all be dangerous to official narrative, as they seem to have been treated ok by the militants.

pgeorgi 3y ago
You mean they were raped ok by the militants? https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/there-wasnt-a-moment-freed-hostages-in-testimony-on-hamas-captivity-4919305 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/there-wasnt-a-moment-freed-h...
- Gunnerhead 3y ago
  Not this claim in particular, but existing claims of rape allegations have been debunked: https://x.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1748390405173842099?s=46&t=i7RhkK5aPl-IJMUV2-QinA https://x.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1748390405173842099?s=4... Meanwhile, Josh Paul, a former US State Department official, detailed how a 13 year old kid was raped in an Israeli prison and “The State Department's inquiry into the case resulted in Israeli officials shutting down the charity involved in bringing the case to light.” https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/amp/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state...
  - xenospn 3y ago
    There are Hamas rape videos, you can easily find them using a simple reddit search. Please stop spreading propaganda.
    - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
      These have not independently confirmed. There is a history of passing by israel of Mexican cartel videos and photos of military women perished in other Middle Eastern conflicts as atrocities commited by Hamas . I am not saying that Hamas did not (or did) commit the crimes on videos, it just the source is so reliably untrustworthy, so the videos cannot be taken seriously.