LOL ""All this stuff about "conceptualization is a barrier on the path" is not really relevant. We don't even believe it is in my tradition, in fact."" You ju

LOL ""All this stuff about "conceptualization is a barrier on the path" is not really relevant. We don't even believe it is in my tradition, in fact."" You just re-iterated a falsehood. That is a fundamental Teaching. That is part of Mahayana. Your claimed tradition. One of you're arguments was just "man everything is emptiness", but I mention 'concepts', and suddenly it isn't part of the tradition. You are going in circles. You haven't proven a single thing. You simply listed sutras and gave your own opinion. I can't believe I'm falling for a Troll. Please, if you are for real, continue studying. Maybe some clarity will arrive. But stop posting misleading statements. It can turn people away from a path that can help them.