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Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Also what a wild comparison, because afaik chat gpt can’t make charts eith

Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Also what a wild comparison, because afaik chat gpt can’t make charts either.

krona 3y ago
> Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Wait so if Google suddenly started charging for Bard, it would be instantly better?
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  It could be. Bard is clearly not the best model Google has and the only reason not to serve the better models is inference cost.
  - qeternity 3y ago
    Google is fighting for its life here. They are not worried about cost.
    - kccqzy 3y ago
      Google is one of the most cost conscious companies in tech when it comes to compute costs. Sure they are blind to other kinds of cost like reputation damage due to stupid leadership decisions. But in terms of their tech, they run their servers and their network to very high utilization, definitely exceeding competitors like Amazon.
      - qeternity 3y ago
        You mention cost, and then proceed to describe efficiency. They are different things. They can spend billions giving away compute (cost) and be extremely efficient (high utilization) in doing so.
    - KeplerBoy 3y ago
      Then what's your explanation for them not deploying Gemini? It's either to expensive or they just don't think it's that important to have a competitive, accessible model out there (which is a valid stance imo).
      - qeternity 3y ago
        I don’t really know tbh. I don’t think their current position is because of penny pinching. They invented the transformer and slept on it while OAI ate their lunch.
- anticensor 3y ago
  They would not charge for Bard, we are providing free training data and free test hours for them.
mike_hearn 3y ago
It absolutely can. Try asking ChatGPT4 something like "Please draw a chart of the population of Switzerland over the past 20 years". It will write Python code to use matplotlib and the resulting chart will appear in the chat. I'd show an example but their sharing feature doesn't work with images for some reason.
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  > Try asking ChatGPT4 something like "Please draw a chart of the population of Switzerland over the past 20 years". I tried this on the free version you can get to without paying anything, I didn't realize the advanced version supported this.
random3 3y ago
Are we talking about a capability or pricing benchmark?

Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Also what a wild comparison, because afaik chat gpt can’t make charts either.

krona 3y ago

> Bard is free, while GPT-4 is not, so it doesn’t seem like a totally fair comparison. Wait so if Google suddenly started charging for Bard, it would be instantly better?

KeplerBoy 3y ago
It could be. Bard is clearly not the best model Google has and the only reason not to serve the better models is inference cost.
- qeternity 3y ago
  Google is fighting for its life here. They are not worried about cost.
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    Google is one of the most cost conscious companies in tech when it comes to compute costs. Sure they are blind to other kinds of cost like reputation damage due to stupid leadership decisions. But in terms of their tech, they run their servers and their network to very high utilization, definitely exceeding competitors like Amazon.
    - qeternity 3y ago
      You mention cost, and then proceed to describe efficiency. They are different things. They can spend billions giving away compute (cost) and be extremely efficient (high utilization) in doing so.
  - KeplerBoy 3y ago
    Then what's your explanation for them not deploying Gemini? It's either to expensive or they just don't think it's that important to have a competitive, accessible model out there (which is a valid stance imo).
    - qeternity 3y ago
      I don’t really know tbh. I don’t think their current position is because of penny pinching. They invented the transformer and slept on it while OAI ate their lunch.
anticensor 3y ago
They would not charge for Bard, we are providing free training data and free test hours for them.

mike_hearn 3y ago

It absolutely can. Try asking ChatGPT4 something like "Please draw a chart of the population of Switzerland over the past 20 years". It will write Python code to use matplotlib and the resulting chart will appear in the chat. I'd show an example but their sharing feature doesn't work with images for some reason.

vineyardmike 3y ago
> Try asking ChatGPT4 something like "Please draw a chart of the population of Switzerland over the past 20 years". I tried this on the free version you can get to without paying anything, I didn't realize the advanced version supported this.

random3 3y ago

Are we talking about a capability or pricing benchmark?