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Unlikely. Video and phone calls aren’t recorded. I’ve used them tons of times to discuss things with coworkers I don’t want seen by management.
by kayodelycaon 3y ago
Unlikely. Video and phone calls aren’t recorded. I’ve used them tons of times to discuss things with coworkers I don’t want seen by management.
- SoftTalker 3y agoThat's a throwback to a time when it wasn't possible or practical to record them. There's no technical reason that lets you keep Slack, chat, or email and prevents keeping phone calls and video. It's all just digital data. I'd expect we'll see the requirements change to include these.
- kayodelycaon 3y agoSure, it could change in the future. It's not the reality now, so data retention rules on chat programs isn't likely to cause a return to office. Management have been using phones to bypass record keeping for well over half a century.
- rightbyte 3y agoIts just a matter of time before some LLM will transcribe them and log your calls though. It might allready be happening.
- vel0city 3y agoIts already an optional feature of a lot of chat platforms. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/view-live-transcription-in-microsoft-teams-meetings-dc1a8f23-2e20-4684-885e-2152e06a4a8b https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/view-live-transcr... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365-life-hacks/organization/using-chatgpt-creating-meeting-agendas-minutes-notes#:~:text=To%20use%20this%20AI%20to%20create%20a%20summary,to%20generate%20your%20summary.%205%20Check%20the%20work https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365-life-hacks/org....
- rightbyte 3y agoOh ... Well I wonder when "Facebook-scale" can do untargeted spying? Like, record and transcribe your Whatsapp calls without knowing that you are a high value product or dissident. I guess it would be to expansive to do right now, compute wise? I am seriously thinking about making my own VOIP app for the phone to try to mitigate these kinds of attacks.
- lanstin 3y agoPgphone was a thing in the nineties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGPfone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGPfone
- wharvle 3y agoRecording laws get in the way of this. You’ll start seeing/hearing a warning every time you start a call if they begin doing this. The live-captions tool in Teams is already better at understanding some of my colleagues than I am. The tech’s there, and probably already was good-enough before LLMs.
- lazide 3y agoAlmost every corp phone line already can be (and often are) recorded. People sign away those rights when they sign their companies info processing rules (the ‘company equipment belongs to the company and can be monitored at any time’ stuff).
- wharvle 3y agoFolks outside the company often join calls and video meetings. Some orgs may have their shit together-enough to exempt only those, perfectly, so they never violate recording laws, but I’d expect most would just notify on all calls/meetings if they started doing this.
- lazide 3y agoOr just record and expect no one to attempt to prosecute (most likely), since it was ‘by accident’ (no mens rea). Generally recording phone calls is only a crime if there is an expectation of privacy, which would also be hard to say existed on a group phone call or video chat, especially if one of the parties knew for sure it could be recorded (and consented to it by continuing to work for the company). Federal law would make it legal to record such a call, for instance. California might make it illegal, might not - all the parties would have to expect it to be a non confidential call. Which a group call? Hard to argue that’s confidential. Calling a random person in a company, where you don’t know if it is being recorded or not? Ehhhh. Also, in California there is an exemption to these recording laws - you can use illegal recordings to defend yourself against perjury, or in the prosecution/defense of certain heinous crimes like extortion, kidnapping, murder, etc. (633.5 CPC) [https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=633.5 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....] It’s a shame Justia doesn’t link to that, as it’s quite important in some situations. [https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations/ https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-call...] “Under California law, it is a crime punishable by fine and/or imprisonment to record a confidential conversation without the consent of all parties, or without a notification of the recording to the parties via an audible beep at specific intervals. The California Supreme Court has defined a confidential conversation as one in which the parties have a reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or eavesdropping. In addition to criminal penalties, illegal recording can also give rise to civil damages. CA Penal Code § 632 (definition & penalty), § 637.2 (civil damages), Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575 (Cal. 2002), Cal. Pub. Util. Code Gen. Order 107-B(II)(A)”
- jprete 3y agoTechnological infeasibility is not necessarily an excuse for skipping record-keeping. I've heard that financial organizations, which often have strong compliance requirements, do in fact record phone calls and video chats - possibly even face-to-face meetings. And they will actively discourage you from using a line not controlled by the company, because otherwise they could have compliance violations.
- kayodelycaon 3y agoAnd such organizations would already not be deleting slack messages and therefore their stance on return to office isn't likely to change. :)