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What is the real value here? Man years in prisons equal a better society. Is anyone willing to reconsider how insane driving is in general for the average perso

What is the real value here? Man years in prisons equal a better society. Is anyone willing to reconsider how insane driving is in general for the average person? It's one of the few areas where society basically demands we take on massive liabilities in order to live our basic lives. Then we also like to pretend it's a "privilege", and not necessary. My employer almost called the cops on me, because I didn't drive in one day and used uber. Starting to get some real second thoughts about this culture. It seems we have taken an insane shift in perspective. In 1970 all car crashes were accidents, but in the 2020s, none are; and someone has to be obliterated. Tackling "drunk drunk" driving eg. 10 beers, 0.10+ bac, etc. is one thing. All these calls to lock up more people for longer seem to be taking us down a crazy road... and they continue to use the same rules for other substances, even though the chemical testing doesn't work, and the number of cases are low (ie. not a lot of crashes happening).

freshchilled 3y ago
> My employer almost called the cops on me, because I didn't drive in one day and used uber. What was their reasoning behind this? Unknown car at a secure facility?
- owl57 3y ago
  I'd guess there are places where refusing to drive suggests you're drunk.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    That's a hell of an assumption from my car wouldn't start. Or my wife's car wouldn't start so I let her take mine. Or any number of reasons before jumping to that conclusion. Why even jump to a conclusion, and just let the person tell them why, to even WTF does it matter?
    - P_I_Staker 3y ago
      That's not to mention the reasons that could relate to not wanting to tell you. For instance, they could be complying with those great license bans everyone things are so swell. Or they could suffer from medical problems that would also make them responsible if they hurt someone. Do you want to make everyone that has a severely limiting disability have to constantly explain themselves? Or maybe their fucking car is in the shop.
  - P_I_Staker 3y ago
    No it was nothing like that. It was basically their fault and they just verified my identity. It's literally just such an inexplicable activity that they have to investigate, and there's this weird pedestrian bias too IMO. (they thought I was a random weirdo in the building or stealing stuff) It's honestly not something that's the most meaningful, but among other things it's made me distinctly aware how weird the culture is if you want to make driving not necessary to be a first class citizen. So while it doesn't prove my point, even prior I felt like "people are just gonna start calling the cops on me for not driving", and it basically was like that. See how I'm now still kinda having to explain myself? I can't help but think this is a little proving my point. Now the notion of not-driving is such an inexplicable concept that it must be explained?
- P_I_Staker 3y ago
  No it was because literally a person there with no car was strange. Is he some random wack-job snuck in the building? It wasn't really main work hours. It's not like proof of my point, but in the times I've not-driven, I've noticed it draws strange, weird attention. This was just the most outlandish. It was just an honest misunderstanding. She should have been able to catch me on video and card swipe. Btw, I know this isn't the slam dunk proof of my point. Just imagine you were thinking this stuff was weird, then someone finally threatens to call the freaking cops on you! (not really, she was nice we just cleared it up).
amrocha 3y ago
There's a huge leap being made from "driving is a necessity" to "using a phone while driving shouldn't be punishable"

freshchilled 3y ago

> My employer almost called the cops on me, because I didn't drive in one day and used uber. What was their reasoning behind this? Unknown car at a secure facility?

owl57 3y ago
I'd guess there are places where refusing to drive suggests you're drunk.
- dylan604 3y ago
  That's a hell of an assumption from my car wouldn't start. Or my wife's car wouldn't start so I let her take mine. Or any number of reasons before jumping to that conclusion. Why even jump to a conclusion, and just let the person tell them why, to even WTF does it matter?
  - P_I_Staker 3y ago
    That's not to mention the reasons that could relate to not wanting to tell you. For instance, they could be complying with those great license bans everyone things are so swell. Or they could suffer from medical problems that would also make them responsible if they hurt someone. Do you want to make everyone that has a severely limiting disability have to constantly explain themselves? Or maybe their fucking car is in the shop.
- P_I_Staker 3y ago
  No it was nothing like that. It was basically their fault and they just verified my identity. It's literally just such an inexplicable activity that they have to investigate, and there's this weird pedestrian bias too IMO. (they thought I was a random weirdo in the building or stealing stuff) It's honestly not something that's the most meaningful, but among other things it's made me distinctly aware how weird the culture is if you want to make driving not necessary to be a first class citizen. So while it doesn't prove my point, even prior I felt like "people are just gonna start calling the cops on me for not driving", and it basically was like that. See how I'm now still kinda having to explain myself? I can't help but think this is a little proving my point. Now the notion of not-driving is such an inexplicable concept that it must be explained?
P_I_Staker 3y ago
No it was because literally a person there with no car was strange. Is he some random wack-job snuck in the building? It wasn't really main work hours. It's not like proof of my point, but in the times I've not-driven, I've noticed it draws strange, weird attention. This was just the most outlandish. It was just an honest misunderstanding. She should have been able to catch me on video and card swipe. Btw, I know this isn't the slam dunk proof of my point. Just imagine you were thinking this stuff was weird, then someone finally threatens to call the freaking cops on you! (not really, she was nice we just cleared it up).

amrocha 3y ago

There's a huge leap being made from "driving is a necessity" to "using a phone while driving shouldn't be punishable"