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2020s anti-LGBT movement in the United States

3 points by apsec112 3y ago

Bostonian 3y ago
'All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie... The article does not have an NPOV: 'The 2020s anti-LGBT movement in the United States is an ongoing political backlash from social conservatives against LGBT people. It has included legislative proposals of bathroom use restrictions, bans on gender-affirming care, anti-LGBT curriculum laws, laws against drag performances, book bans, boycotts, and conspiracy theories around grooming. Between 2018 and 2023, hundreds of anti-LGBT laws were considered, with more than one hundred passed into law. The backlash has been described as a moral panic and part of a larger culture war in the United States.'
- blueflow 3y ago
  Wikipedia, as a form of publishing, has always been biased towards the "look at me i have the good opinion" crowd. Because it gives some good visibility.
  - King1st 3y ago
    Its gotten worse as egotistic sudo-intellectuals have taken over and revert any proper changes even when properly source because it conflicts with their personal beliefs. Like colleges information is being limited by political alignment.
- mostlysimilar 3y ago
  What changes would you make to this description to make it more neutral?
  - King1st 3y ago
    " from social conservatives against LGBT people" Its not just from social conservatives, many social liberals are also in this group. This is adding an inherent bias. Trans-exclusionary feminists(TERFs) will for example have heavy overlap with many of the opinions of of the anti LGBT movent, yet are being excluded.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Trans exclusionary radical feminists are socially conservative. It's eponymous; any group that has to exclude people by definition is conservative in nature. They're not traditionalists necessarily, but they are defined by a shared conservative belief. No educated TERF would argue differently, unless they're somehow convinced that femininity is a liberal concept. You're correct that some mostly-liberal individuals hold conservative beliefs, but that's not proof of bias in the language. They're using the most accurate possible word, and if you disagree then you should take it up with Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative
      - why_is_it_good 3y ago
        > radical feminists are socially conservatives Bold claim. > MW: conservative: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives. Please check your pre programming.
        smoldesu 3y ago
        It's not really bold at all. Their conservative belief supersedes their liberal ones; you wouldn't be a TERF if you weren't highly discriminatory about your peers. That is, by definition, conservative behavior. If you think TERFs hold a unifying liberal belief that prevails over trans-exclusion, you'd have a point. Alas... > LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives. Sure. They're obviously socially liberal, but that would be an individualist and conservative decision to make. As I said in the last comment; people who are largely liberal can also hold conservative beliefs (and vice versa). You could even claim in a post-queer world that LGBT advocates then become the conservative party. We don't live in that world though, so radical feminists that believe in trans-exclusion are still socially conservative.

3 points by apsec112 3y ago

'All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie... The article does not have an NPOV: 'The 2020s anti-LGBT movement in the United States is an ongoing political backlash from social conservatives against LGBT people. It has included legislative proposals of bathroom use restrictions, bans on gender-affirming care, anti-LGBT curriculum laws, laws against drag performances, book bans, boycotts, and conspiracy theories around grooming. Between 2018 and 2023, hundreds of anti-LGBT laws were considered, with more than one hundred passed into law. The backlash has been described as a moral panic and part of a larger culture war in the United States.'

blueflow 3y ago
Wikipedia, as a form of publishing, has always been biased towards the "look at me i have the good opinion" crowd. Because it gives some good visibility.
- King1st 3y ago
  Its gotten worse as egotistic sudo-intellectuals have taken over and revert any proper changes even when properly source because it conflicts with their personal beliefs. Like colleges information is being limited by political alignment.
mostlysimilar 3y ago
What changes would you make to this description to make it more neutral?
- King1st 3y ago
  " from social conservatives against LGBT people" Its not just from social conservatives, many social liberals are also in this group. This is adding an inherent bias. Trans-exclusionary feminists(TERFs) will for example have heavy overlap with many of the opinions of of the anti LGBT movent, yet are being excluded.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Trans exclusionary radical feminists are socially conservative. It's eponymous; any group that has to exclude people by definition is conservative in nature. They're not traditionalists necessarily, but they are defined by a shared conservative belief. No educated TERF would argue differently, unless they're somehow convinced that femininity is a liberal concept. You're correct that some mostly-liberal individuals hold conservative beliefs, but that's not proof of bias in the language. They're using the most accurate possible word, and if you disagree then you should take it up with Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative
    - why_is_it_good 3y ago
      > radical feminists are socially conservatives Bold claim. > MW: conservative: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives. Please check your pre programming.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        It's not really bold at all. Their conservative belief supersedes their liberal ones; you wouldn't be a TERF if you weren't highly discriminatory about your peers. That is, by definition, conservative behavior. If you think TERFs hold a unifying liberal belief that prevails over trans-exclusion, you'd have a point. Alas... > LGBT advocates who want to keep LGBT institutions to advocate from, are then conservatives. Sure. They're obviously socially liberal, but that would be an individualist and conservative decision to make. As I said in the last comment; people who are largely liberal can also hold conservative beliefs (and vice versa). You could even claim in a post-queer world that LGBT advocates then become the conservative party. We don't live in that world though, so radical feminists that believe in trans-exclusion are still socially conservative.