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It's still illegal to use your phone while driving in most countries. So by allowing you to use CarPlay on your phone while not connected to a car's media syste

It's still illegal to use your phone while driving in most countries. So by allowing you to use CarPlay on your phone while not connected to a car's media system, that could be interpreted as enticing phone usage while driving and thus open them up to potential lawsuits. The irony is that so many people disregard the law anyways that it would actually end up making roads safer. But Apple wont risk offending lawmakers for that.

buran77 3y ago
> that could be interpreted as enticing phone usage while driving This can't be true. Zooming the screen from the accessibility settings probably gets you half way there already. Every navigation app is enticing you to use it while driving. Touchscreens are enticing/forcing users to take the eyes off the road. The mere existence of the phone is enticing a driver to use it. CarPlay "mode" would just be a slightly different GUI for what you can already do with the phone whether legally (by the passenger, or while stationary) or illegally (while driving). Every app in the phone is also accessible from the home screen. At most Apple would have to issue a warning every time to use it correctly, like many cars already do.
- sigmoid10 3y ago
  >Zooming the screen from the accessibility settings probably gets you half way there already It gets you there all the way. If some cop wants to screw you over, that's more than he needs. Taking your eyes of the road to look at some small smartphone is not just illegal, it's dangerous. People die because of it every day. Most cops just don't give a fuck because almost everyone does it. Doesn't make it legal though. That's also why all navigation apps tell you not to use them while driving. But while these apps have other legit uses, CarPlay literally only exists to be used while driving. So it makes no sense to offer it without integration into a car's systems that allow you (in theory) to use it without looking down. If someone screws this up it's the car maker's fault.
  - buran77 3y ago
    > If some cop wants to screw you over, that's more than he needs. You are not making more sense than the first time and I already mentioned some reasons why. "Phone icons too big" is not a thing a cop can "screw you over". Google had this feature for years. Whether this is "enticing" users to operate the phone while driving has to be legislated or judged before it can be policed. And Apple can get around it the same way everyone else: with a legal disclaimer. In general it's absolutely legal to have a phone operating in the car as long as the driver isn't actively interacting with it while driving, and it isn't displaying videos to the driver. The size or shape of the icons is irrelevant. Anything that can be legally displayed on a car's display is also legal on a phone screen. Tl;dr: don't play with either or watch videos while driving. It doesn't take much thought to realize that if cars come plastered with giant screens and apps like Netflix, then a 5" screen with slightly larger icons is a non-issue.
    - sigmoid10 3y ago
      You are intentionally missing the point, despite all the obvious evidence against your argument. You can deny or rationalise it like most people do, but using mobile phones while driving is bad and the lawmakers have every right to male it illegal. Companies like apple are not getting dragged into that. Neither is google btw if you look at their version.
shkkmo 3y ago
Most places that have distracted driving laws ban use of hand-held devices. Some places bam all use based on age. I am not familiar with many places that ban all use for everyone. Given that other large companies offer equivalent functionality, I really doubt that fear of lawsuits has determined when CarPlay is available.

buran77 3y ago

> that could be interpreted as enticing phone usage while driving This can't be true. Zooming the screen from the accessibility settings probably gets you half way there already. Every navigation app is enticing you to use it while driving. Touchscreens are enticing/forcing users to take the eyes off the road. The mere existence of the phone is enticing a driver to use it. CarPlay "mode" would just be a slightly different GUI for what you can already do with the phone whether legally (by the passenger, or while stationary) or illegally (while driving). Every app in the phone is also accessible from the home screen. At most Apple would have to issue a warning every time to use it correctly, like many cars already do.

sigmoid10 3y ago
>Zooming the screen from the accessibility settings probably gets you half way there already It gets you there all the way. If some cop wants to screw you over, that's more than he needs. Taking your eyes of the road to look at some small smartphone is not just illegal, it's dangerous. People die because of it every day. Most cops just don't give a fuck because almost everyone does it. Doesn't make it legal though. That's also why all navigation apps tell you not to use them while driving. But while these apps have other legit uses, CarPlay literally only exists to be used while driving. So it makes no sense to offer it without integration into a car's systems that allow you (in theory) to use it without looking down. If someone screws this up it's the car maker's fault.
- buran77 3y ago
  > If some cop wants to screw you over, that's more than he needs. You are not making more sense than the first time and I already mentioned some reasons why. "Phone icons too big" is not a thing a cop can "screw you over". Google had this feature for years. Whether this is "enticing" users to operate the phone while driving has to be legislated or judged before it can be policed. And Apple can get around it the same way everyone else: with a legal disclaimer. In general it's absolutely legal to have a phone operating in the car as long as the driver isn't actively interacting with it while driving, and it isn't displaying videos to the driver. The size or shape of the icons is irrelevant. Anything that can be legally displayed on a car's display is also legal on a phone screen. Tl;dr: don't play with either or watch videos while driving. It doesn't take much thought to realize that if cars come plastered with giant screens and apps like Netflix, then a 5" screen with slightly larger icons is a non-issue.
  - sigmoid10 3y ago
    You are intentionally missing the point, despite all the obvious evidence against your argument. You can deny or rationalise it like most people do, but using mobile phones while driving is bad and the lawmakers have every right to male it illegal. Companies like apple are not getting dragged into that. Neither is google btw if you look at their version.

shkkmo 3y ago

Most places that have distracted driving laws ban use of hand-held devices. Some places bam all use based on age. I am not familiar with many places that ban all use for everyone. Given that other large companies offer equivalent functionality, I really doubt that fear of lawsuits has determined when CarPlay is available.