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And I still don’t get all the hype and marketing around it. Unpoly is so much better in every way you look at it. Most people seem to be using it just because

And I still don’t get all the hype and marketing around it. Unpoly is so much better in every way you look at it. Most people seem to be using it just because “it’s popular” which ironically is the reason most people use React as well.

lagt_t 3y ago
Unpoly is 50kb, htmx is 15kb.
- 0xblinq 3y ago
  Both are small enough for this to not matter. Unpoly also has many more features you’d have to add code for.
  - lagt_t 3y ago
    You see more features as better, I see them as unnecessary bloat. HTMX targets users that want easy and minimalist ajax.
    - 0xblinq 3y ago
      You see unnecessary bloat, I see wheel reinventions. Unpoly gives me almost everything I need for any non trivial app. Same thinking about using Django/Rails/Laravel vs bare bone routers like express, Sinatra or flask. Once you get past the simple landing page or hello world app all those things you call “bloat” come in super handy. Otherwise you end up with a custom undocumented untested unproven probably insecure rushed out implementation of what the “bloated” solution gives you. Same applies for Unpoly vs htmx. Unless you’re building just a hello world landing page, as I said.
      - lagt_t 3y ago
        Can you give one example of a feature that is fundamental for web development that is enabled by unpoly and not htmx?
recursivedoubts 3y ago
unpoly is a great project and is absolutely best-in-class for progressive enhancement htmx is lower level but has a bit more mechanical sympathy w/normal HTML: more work for some things, but less magic too. it's focused on generalizing hypermedia controls, as outlined here: https://hypermedia.systems/extending-html-as-hypermedia/ https://hypermedia.systems/extending-html-as-hypermedia/ there is a terrible simplicity to htmx that I think many developers find attractive after a decade of heaping complexity on top of web development my ability to market htmx has surprised me as well, i have been silly on twitter for a long time now, but for whatever reason it recently started working

lagt_t 3y ago

Unpoly is 50kb, htmx is 15kb.

0xblinq 3y ago
Both are small enough for this to not matter. Unpoly also has many more features you’d have to add code for.
- lagt_t 3y ago
  You see more features as better, I see them as unnecessary bloat. HTMX targets users that want easy and minimalist ajax.
  - 0xblinq 3y ago
    You see unnecessary bloat, I see wheel reinventions. Unpoly gives me almost everything I need for any non trivial app. Same thinking about using Django/Rails/Laravel vs bare bone routers like express, Sinatra or flask. Once you get past the simple landing page or hello world app all those things you call “bloat” come in super handy. Otherwise you end up with a custom undocumented untested unproven probably insecure rushed out implementation of what the “bloated” solution gives you. Same applies for Unpoly vs htmx. Unless you’re building just a hello world landing page, as I said.
    - lagt_t 3y ago
      Can you give one example of a feature that is fundamental for web development that is enabled by unpoly and not htmx?

recursivedoubts 3y ago

unpoly is a great project and is absolutely best-in-class for progressive enhancement htmx is lower level but has a bit more mechanical sympathy w/normal HTML: more work for some things, but less magic too. it's focused on generalizing hypermedia controls, as outlined here: https://hypermedia.systems/extending-html-as-hypermedia/ https://hypermedia.systems/extending-html-as-hypermedia/ there is a terrible simplicity to htmx that I think many developers find attractive after a decade of heaping complexity on top of web development my ability to market htmx has surprised me as well, i have been silly on twitter for a long time now, but for whatever reason it recently started working