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> But they still aren’t being used to track one of the biggest public health threats: crashes caused by drivers distracted by the phones. I have seen cases whe
by ijhuygft776 3y ago
> But they still aren’t being used to track one of the biggest public health threats: crashes caused by drivers distracted by the phones.
I have seen cases where they went back and look at phone use history after accidents.... not sure how often they do it though.
- barbazoo 3y agoIs there a reasonable process for police in US/Canada to actually get that info, doesn't seem to be the case? > The police can access cellphone records but the process is cumbersome and privacy laws require a subpoena. I wish it was just a default step in figuring out fault nowadays. An not handing over that data should put that driver at a disadvantage.
- JohnFen 3y agoThe process being somewhat inconvenient ("cumbersome" is overstating it) is intentional. It's one of the few protections we have from abuse by law enforcement in the US. I'm glad we have at least that.
- barbazoo 3y agoDoes that process yield phone usage data or "just" calls/texts?
- JohnFen 3y agoIt depends on what data the police are asking for in the warrant. Any data that exists is fair game.
- barbazoo 3y agoHow would they get phone usage data though? Even I wouldn't know how to get that info off my own phone other than abstract "screen time" metrics.
- JohnFen 3y agoI'm talking about legalities, not technical capability. That said, given how much phone usage is collected about people by various (mostly ad) companies, I'm guessing that's where you could find some decent usage data.
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- dylan604 3y agoI'm not a phone dev, but is there a second by second logging of what app was in the foreground? I assume it does, but just unfamiliar with how long it's retained blah blah. Is it also granular enough to show if it was actively being used and not just in the foreground? Or do they just look at the timestamp of last messages sent in various apps to see if they were texting? Doom scrolling while driving with no commenting is sadly something I've seen a driver doing while being a passenger.
- ijhuygft776 3y agoThe cases I've seen, I believe they looked at texts sent... so in that case, pretty sure the info is kept forever. But phones are data treasures so who knows what they do now.
- dylan604 3y agoThat seems short sighted as you don't have to respond to a text to be distracted by it. If a text shows as read would be evidence that the driver was looking at it even if no response was sent.
- kjkjadksj 3y agoAtt had a whole ad campaign of peoples last texts before a crash. Seems cell providers have some interest in making a safer product in contrast to cellphone manufacturers who clearly don’t give a damn about the issue given the lack of any ui/ux change to combat this over a decade plus of smartphones.