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The court referenced article II of the Genocide Convention here, which includes "Killing members of the group." Any country that commits genocide in the way out

The court referenced article II of the Genocide Convention here, which includes "Killing members of the group." Any country that commits genocide in the way outlined by the convention would be in violation, not just Israel.

smoothjazz 3y ago
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- Timber-6539 3y ago
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  - WhackyIdeas 3y ago
    So far they’ve wiped out 1% of their population. The only reason it’s not 50% (imo) is that there’s hostages still there. If you are a Palestinian over there, don’t go waving a white flag or you just become a target practise. Sources: https://www.itn.co.uk/news/palestinian-man-carrying-white-flag-shot-dead-gaza https://www.itn.co.uk/news/palestinian-man-carrying-white-fl... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says-2023-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-k...
  - mrkeen 3y ago
    > From today's ruling, Israel would continue the genocide of Palestinians at its own peril. What peril will Israel face? More condemnation of Hamas by western leaders?
    - Timber-6539 3y ago
      Increased isolation from the rest of the normal world, more especially from its bosom buddy Uncle Sam.
      - mrkeen 3y ago
        New update: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 > The UK, Australia, Italy and Canada have become the latest countries to pause funding for the UN agency for Palestinians, UNRWA. Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza... > This comes after the agency announced the sacking of several of its staff over allegations of involvement in the 7 October Hamas attacks. > UNRWA says it has ordered an investigation into information supplied by Israel. ... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists.
        Timber-6539 3y ago
        > Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza... Wake me up when they stop sending weapons to Netanyahu. > ... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists. Changes nothing. An opportunity for the rest of the non-genocidal world to come to Gaza's aid. The rest of the world will continue to support the Palestinian people overcome this terrible evil being carried out by Zionist Israel.
- byt143 3y ago
  So Israel can't enjoy the same right to self defense that any other state would? They can't conduct a war in an urban environment with an actual intentionally genocidal enemy, and must resort to targeted assassinations? That standard is absurd. Surely you can admit some middle ground ,if you're discussing in good faith.
- brighteyes 3y ago
  Unfortunately for the Palestinians, that is not what was ruled. They were hoping for a full ceasefire like what you have interpreted, but they are very disappointed in the ruling because it does not say that. What it does say is 1. Israel must do more to prevent the possibility of genocide. Genocide is killing a people with the intent of killing them for the sake of destroying them, and not as collateral damage, so it does not mean stopping all death. Collateral damage, unfortunately, remains on the table. 2. Israel must report back in a month with how they are doing that. For example, they could show lower amounts of collateral damage, an increase in aid, punishments for officials that make statements that could be construed as genocidal, and so forth. That is better than nothing, to be certain, but it is far from a ceasefire, unfortunately.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  > Correct, it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide and the court ordered them to stop while they do a full investigation. I think there was a miscommunication. You said that the provisional measures said that Israel must stop killing Palestinians, and so there is no way to have a ceasefire. I was saying that what's actually in the provisional measures is a reiteration of the Genocide Convention, of which all countries must already abide, including Israel. Whether or not it's likely a country is commiting genocide or it's self defense, they haven't ruled on. I deliberately avoided any speculation with my comments.
- starik36 3y ago
  > it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide The court said no such thing.

smoothjazz 3y ago

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Timber-6539 3y ago
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- WhackyIdeas 3y ago
  So far they’ve wiped out 1% of their population. The only reason it’s not 50% (imo) is that there’s hostages still there. If you are a Palestinian over there, don’t go waving a white flag or you just become a target practise. Sources: https://www.itn.co.uk/news/palestinian-man-carrying-white-flag-shot-dead-gaza https://www.itn.co.uk/news/palestinian-man-carrying-white-fl... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says-2023-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-k...
- mrkeen 3y ago
  > From today's ruling, Israel would continue the genocide of Palestinians at its own peril. What peril will Israel face? More condemnation of Hamas by western leaders?
  - Timber-6539 3y ago
    Increased isolation from the rest of the normal world, more especially from its bosom buddy Uncle Sam.
    - mrkeen 3y ago
      New update: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 > The UK, Australia, Italy and Canada have become the latest countries to pause funding for the UN agency for Palestinians, UNRWA. Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza... > This comes after the agency announced the sacking of several of its staff over allegations of involvement in the 7 October Hamas attacks. > UNRWA says it has ordered an investigation into information supplied by Israel. ... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists.
      - Timber-6539 3y ago
        > Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza... Wake me up when they stop sending weapons to Netanyahu. > ... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists. Changes nothing. An opportunity for the rest of the non-genocidal world to come to Gaza's aid. The rest of the world will continue to support the Palestinian people overcome this terrible evil being carried out by Zionist Israel.
byt143 3y ago
So Israel can't enjoy the same right to self defense that any other state would? They can't conduct a war in an urban environment with an actual intentionally genocidal enemy, and must resort to targeted assassinations? That standard is absurd. Surely you can admit some middle ground ,if you're discussing in good faith.
brighteyes 3y ago
Unfortunately for the Palestinians, that is not what was ruled. They were hoping for a full ceasefire like what you have interpreted, but they are very disappointed in the ruling because it does not say that. What it does say is 1. Israel must do more to prevent the possibility of genocide. Genocide is killing a people with the intent of killing them for the sake of destroying them, and not as collateral damage, so it does not mean stopping all death. Collateral damage, unfortunately, remains on the table. 2. Israel must report back in a month with how they are doing that. For example, they could show lower amounts of collateral damage, an increase in aid, punishments for officials that make statements that could be construed as genocidal, and so forth. That is better than nothing, to be certain, but it is far from a ceasefire, unfortunately.
bitshiftfaced 3y ago
> Correct, it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide and the court ordered them to stop while they do a full investigation. I think there was a miscommunication. You said that the provisional measures said that Israel must stop killing Palestinians, and so there is no way to have a ceasefire. I was saying that what's actually in the provisional measures is a reiteration of the Genocide Convention, of which all countries must already abide, including Israel. Whether or not it's likely a country is commiting genocide or it's self defense, they haven't ruled on. I deliberately avoided any speculation with my comments.
starik36 3y ago
> it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide The court said no such thing.