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Exactly. I am not even sure how can someone call an environment where food just grows on trees and winter doesn’t exist brutal, compared to the mini Ice Age tha

Exactly. I am not even sure how can someone call an environment where food just grows on trees and winter doesn’t exist brutal, compared to the mini Ice Age that was happening in Europe at that time. To me, it was only brutal because they made it so, it could have been a heaven.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Think again. Forestry collapse, drought, it was all a factor. Sure during the good times there's plenty. But during the bad times, the survivors did what they did. Plenty of horror in Europe, we should maybe revisit our European history. It's 'better' they just let peasants starve to death, while taxing them to penury. Because that's just a bureaucracy, not deliberate murder. Because they deliberately starved the Irish, refused aid, because it was a better world with fewer Irish in it? And Africa! My god, what a fantasy that Africa had less of a history of war and slaughter.
- dsabanin 3y ago
  Forestry collapse, drought, famine, were all factors present everywhere around the world as well, and human sacrifice is not a solution to this. I argue that deaths due to famines, epidemics, wars, unfair food distribution, racism, slavery, exploitation are a whole different category from the human sacrifice. Each one of the former had a cause or a purpose. A lot of it was due to mismanagement, ignorance, fight for resources and control and people being assholes. Me deciding to keep food to myself to feed my family or my clique and not to share it with you, forcing you to starve, is very different from me going to your house, kidnapping you and killing you for no reason at all. Oh, pardon me, the reason was to build a fucking wall made out of you and your family skulls. You're justifying completely senseless violence here. The only thing in Europe that comes close in my mind is the burning of the witches and the holocaust, for which there was and is much repentance to this day.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

Think again. Forestry collapse, drought, it was all a factor. Sure during the good times there's plenty. But during the bad times, the survivors did what they did. Plenty of horror in Europe, we should maybe revisit our European history. It's 'better' they just let peasants starve to death, while taxing them to penury. Because that's just a bureaucracy, not deliberate murder. Because they deliberately starved the Irish, refused aid, because it was a better world with fewer Irish in it? And Africa! My god, what a fantasy that Africa had less of a history of war and slaughter.

dsabanin 3y ago
Forestry collapse, drought, famine, were all factors present everywhere around the world as well, and human sacrifice is not a solution to this. I argue that deaths due to famines, epidemics, wars, unfair food distribution, racism, slavery, exploitation are a whole different category from the human sacrifice. Each one of the former had a cause or a purpose. A lot of it was due to mismanagement, ignorance, fight for resources and control and people being assholes. Me deciding to keep food to myself to feed my family or my clique and not to share it with you, forcing you to starve, is very different from me going to your house, kidnapping you and killing you for no reason at all. Oh, pardon me, the reason was to build a fucking wall made out of you and your family skulls. You're justifying completely senseless violence here. The only thing in Europe that comes close in my mind is the burning of the witches and the holocaust, for which there was and is much repentance to this day.