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I didn't know that "LGBT socialist from California" were the people giving ~70% approval ratings to mass murderers like Stalin in Russian domestic polls and ere

by mopsi 3y ago

I didn't know that "LGBT socialist from California" were the people giving ~70% approval ratings to mass murderers like Stalin in Russian domestic polls and erecting monuments to Lenin in occupied parts of Ukraine.

thriftwy 3y ago
As Stalin himself has said, "never ask who is doing the voting, ask who is doing the counting". Most Russian people do not care that much about Stalin since it's all too old and they care much more about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who are much more recent butchers of Russia. Some people do, but then again, some Italians, French and US campuses also give a lot of shits about people like Trotsky. An absolute majority of humanity are politically clueless, and the worst of them are also opinionated.
- mopsi 3y ago
  Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Russian crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Russian control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Russians have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. But why should any Russian approve Stalin, spew the same toxic imperialistic view of the world in many different forms like supporting the genocidal war against Ukraine remains a mystery. Germans are not holding military parades under swastikas, erecting monuments to their Führer, telling Jews that Germans suffered the most, harassing and shutting down Holocaust researchers and threatening rest of Europe that if they don't do as told, "we'll repeat it". In the end, by not taking responsibility for your past and present actions like Germans have done, you will simply live shorter and poorer lives than other peoples of Europe, making endless excuses for your own suffering and the suffering inflicted upon others, while leaders are robbing you blind and partying on megayachts. My hope is that this degenerate russki mir will never reach me.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    > Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Soviet crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Soviet control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Soviets have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. There, I've fixed it for you. But even then, it's not the only game in town. "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. I'm not even sure Germany would match that. I believe their general approach was to pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945. In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. Which would be?..
    - mopsi 3y ago
      > "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. It was your own mismanagement that reached such level by 1990 that the economy was unable to provide even food to the population, forcing people from all social classes to subsistence farming for survival. The constant passive-aggressive snark towards the Americans is distasteful and ungrateful given how much they helped you then with food aid. > There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. Mostly from 1990s and early 2000s, before Putin began rehabilitation of Stalin and incorporation of Soviet legacy into modern Russia. The monuments are now vanishing at an accelerating pace and incidents like these have become common: https://sakhaday.ru/news/v-yakutske-snesli-pamyatnik-polskim-politssylnym https://sakhaday.ru/news/v-yakutske-snesli-pamyatnik-polskim... > In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. That's what Europe has done - confronted own history and learned from it, Germans in particular. They do not pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945, far from it. Disagreements are now solved calmly in EU cooperation formats, which have brought unprecedented peace to Europe. The peace is being violated by Russians, who keep trying to bring back history by sending tanks with hammer-and-sickle flags into foreign countries, to shoot at peaceful people living there. When will you confront your history and present actions, learn from them, and become a normal country where people are not living in filth and despair?

by mopsi 3y ago

thriftwy 3y ago

As Stalin himself has said, "never ask who is doing the voting, ask who is doing the counting". Most Russian people do not care that much about Stalin since it's all too old and they care much more about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who are much more recent butchers of Russia. Some people do, but then again, some Italians, French and US campuses also give a lot of shits about people like Trotsky. An absolute majority of humanity are politically clueless, and the worst of them are also opinionated.

mopsi 3y ago
Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Russian crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Russian control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Russians have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. But why should any Russian approve Stalin, spew the same toxic imperialistic view of the world in many different forms like supporting the genocidal war against Ukraine remains a mystery. Germans are not holding military parades under swastikas, erecting monuments to their Führer, telling Jews that Germans suffered the most, harassing and shutting down Holocaust researchers and threatening rest of Europe that if they don't do as told, "we'll repeat it". In the end, by not taking responsibility for your past and present actions like Germans have done, you will simply live shorter and poorer lives than other peoples of Europe, making endless excuses for your own suffering and the suffering inflicted upon others, while leaders are robbing you blind and partying on megayachts. My hope is that this degenerate russki mir will never reach me.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  > Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Soviet crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Soviet control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Soviets have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. There, I've fixed it for you. But even then, it's not the only game in town. "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. I'm not even sure Germany would match that. I believe their general approach was to pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945. In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. Which would be?..
  - mopsi 3y ago
    > "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. It was your own mismanagement that reached such level by 1990 that the economy was unable to provide even food to the population, forcing people from all social classes to subsistence farming for survival. The constant passive-aggressive snark towards the Americans is distasteful and ungrateful given how much they helped you then with food aid. > There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. Mostly from 1990s and early 2000s, before Putin began rehabilitation of Stalin and incorporation of Soviet legacy into modern Russia. The monuments are now vanishing at an accelerating pace and incidents like these have become common: https://sakhaday.ru/news/v-yakutske-snesli-pamyatnik-polskim-politssylnym https://sakhaday.ru/news/v-yakutske-snesli-pamyatnik-polskim... > In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. That's what Europe has done - confronted own history and learned from it, Germans in particular. They do not pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945, far from it. Disagreements are now solved calmly in EU cooperation formats, which have brought unprecedented peace to Europe. The peace is being violated by Russians, who keep trying to bring back history by sending tanks with hammer-and-sickle flags into foreign countries, to shoot at peaceful people living there. When will you confront your history and present actions, learn from them, and become a normal country where people are not living in filth and despair?