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I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that the country with the biggest ideological gender gap (South Korea) also has the lowest fertility rate. I'll also guess t

I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that the country with the biggest ideological gender gap (South Korea) also has the lowest fertility rate. I'll also guess that the low fertility rate is not the cause of the high ideology gap.

fithisux 3y ago
Maybe it is the other way around.
throwaway290 3y ago
Perhaps another factor is responsible for both
- philbin 3y ago
  The birth control pill and the abortion pill, possibly?
  - AwaAwa 3y ago
    If this were reddit you would be banned for life. Refreshing that there still exist some spaces where uncomfortable thoughts can still be voiced, and isn't twitter. Another divide I'll wager, and more than a little ancillary to the aforementioned ideological divide.
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      reddit is not even worth mentioning? Mods there have scripts to auto-ban people who didn't even post anything simply if they joined "wrong" subreddits, posts are banned routinely without any explanation etc.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Or the patriarchal culture with rampant gender based discrimination and pay inequality combined with freedom of information and decent education for all. In this country abortion was illegal until 2020, marital rape still seems not explicitly illegal etc.
mlrtime 3y ago
One of the questions to denote liberal/conservative was a question about family. SK women specifically do not value the family role vs career. This will definitely affect fertility rates. This is the question but not broken down by country, rather age. https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849199720030292/photo/1 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849199720030292/...
- fxtentacle 3y ago
  That post is confusing to me. It says "Young women have become markedly more progressive on gender norms, but young men have not budged." and then shows a diagram that many young women want to have a family and children, with work being optional, which to me completely doesn't sound like "progressive on gender norms".
  - atomicnumber3 3y ago
    I think the key is they want to choose. Not feel forced into homemaking.
  - philbin 3y ago
    Yes, it seems the two groups' wishes are mostly orthogonal.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    Some of these studies report what people say they're going to do and some report what people actually do. And of course your typical twitter journalists report them as being one and the same. They're not.

fithisux 3y ago

Maybe it is the other way around.

throwaway290 3y ago

Perhaps another factor is responsible for both

philbin 3y ago
The birth control pill and the abortion pill, possibly?
- AwaAwa 3y ago
  If this were reddit you would be banned for life. Refreshing that there still exist some spaces where uncomfortable thoughts can still be voiced, and isn't twitter. Another divide I'll wager, and more than a little ancillary to the aforementioned ideological divide.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    reddit is not even worth mentioning? Mods there have scripts to auto-ban people who didn't even post anything simply if they joined "wrong" subreddits, posts are banned routinely without any explanation etc.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Or the patriarchal culture with rampant gender based discrimination and pay inequality combined with freedom of information and decent education for all. In this country abortion was illegal until 2020, marital rape still seems not explicitly illegal etc.

mlrtime 3y ago

One of the questions to denote liberal/conservative was a question about family. SK women specifically do not value the family role vs career. This will definitely affect fertility rates. This is the question but not broken down by country, rather age. https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849199720030292/photo/1 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1750849199720030292/...

fxtentacle 3y ago
That post is confusing to me. It says "Young women have become markedly more progressive on gender norms, but young men have not budged." and then shows a diagram that many young women want to have a family and children, with work being optional, which to me completely doesn't sound like "progressive on gender norms".
- atomicnumber3 3y ago
  I think the key is they want to choose. Not feel forced into homemaking.
- philbin 3y ago
  Yes, it seems the two groups' wishes are mostly orthogonal.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  Some of these studies report what people say they're going to do and some report what people actually do. And of course your typical twitter journalists report them as being one and the same. They're not.