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Some of this is true - but by Soviets, not Russians. I'm not sure why you would conflate the two. Was Stalin Russian? Perhaps Beria? Trotsky? Dzerzhinsky? Lenin

Some of this is true - but by Soviets, not Russians. I'm not sure why you would conflate the two. Was Stalin Russian? Perhaps Beria? Trotsky? Dzerzhinsky? Lenin? :) The stupidity of "Russians has occupied Baltics and killed all Russians" will vanish once you call the former the Soviet. But mostly, it is baltic people themselves who got rid of Jews and helped get rid of Germans, and then after 1990 tried to get rid of Russians too. > This has caused incredible cultural discontinuity. I just finished reading memoirs of a Russian who grew up there in the 1960s. From his youth, he remembers no old men telling stories to kids "how things used to be". In fact, he knows no-one who had lived there before the war That's the story of many places past WWII. There was an unprecedented cultural discontinuity. For starters, St. Petersburg is resettled practically anew because almost all of its population either perished in the blockade or was evacuated and was not encouraged to return. Don't get me started on Polish and German resettlements. Why blame Russians for anything here? Russians are the same victims of the war as Baltic people and Jews and Poles and Germans themselves. > run-down shithole full of angry and miserable rootless Russians who don't understand where they are and why everyone dislikes them so much Can you perhaps stop disliking your compatriots for who they are, and maybe they will stop treating you as a Nazi who you currently objectively are.

mopsi 3y ago
> Some of this is true - but by Soviets, not Russians. I'm not sure why you would conflate the two. Was Stalin Russian? Perhaps Beria? Trotsky? Dzerzhinsky? Lenin? Whatever possible claims there were along the lines of "Hitler was ackchyually an Austrian", present-day Russians have willingly adopted that legacy instead of denouncing it like Germans, justify it and continue to pursue it further.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  > present-day Russians have willingly adopted that legacy Present-day Woke LGBT socialists from California has adopted that legacy. Russians have no predisposition towards socialism, utopian cults or dictature of minorities. Soviet regime is a branchild of European Social Democracy and it's pathetic how they are trying to frame the victims of this crime for it. Just ask all these young people from Italy, Spain or Seattle why so many hammer-and-sickles.
  - mopsi 3y ago
    I didn't know that "LGBT socialist from California" were the people giving ~70% approval ratings to mass murderers like Stalin in Russian domestic polls and erecting monuments to Lenin in occupied parts of Ukraine.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      As Stalin himself has said, "never ask who is doing the voting, ask who is doing the counting". Most Russian people do not care that much about Stalin since it's all too old and they care much more about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who are much more recent butchers of Russia. Some people do, but then again, some Italians, French and US campuses also give a lot of shits about people like Trotsky. An absolute majority of humanity are politically clueless, and the worst of them are also opinionated.
      - mopsi 3y ago
        Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Russian crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Russian control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Russians have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. But why should any Russian approve Stalin, spew the same toxic imperialistic view of the world in many different forms like supporting the genocidal war against Ukraine remains a mystery. Germans are not holding military parades under swastikas, erecting monuments to their Führer, telling Jews that Germans suffered the most, harassing and shutting down Holocaust researchers and threatening rest of Europe that if they don't do as told, "we'll repeat it". In the end, by not taking responsibility for your past and present actions like Germans have done, you will simply live shorter and poorer lives than other peoples of Europe, making endless excuses for your own suffering and the suffering inflicted upon others, while leaders are robbing you blind and partying on megayachts. My hope is that this degenerate russki mir will never reach me.
        thriftwy 3y ago
        > Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Soviet crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Soviet control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Soviets have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. There, I've fixed it for you. But even then, it's not the only game in town. "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. I'm not even sure Germany would match that. I believe their general approach was to pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945. In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. Which would be?..
fellin 3y ago
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mopsi 3y ago

> Some of this is true - but by Soviets, not Russians. I'm not sure why you would conflate the two. Was Stalin Russian? Perhaps Beria? Trotsky? Dzerzhinsky? Lenin? Whatever possible claims there were along the lines of "Hitler was ackchyually an Austrian", present-day Russians have willingly adopted that legacy instead of denouncing it like Germans, justify it and continue to pursue it further.

thriftwy 3y ago
> present-day Russians have willingly adopted that legacy Present-day Woke LGBT socialists from California has adopted that legacy. Russians have no predisposition towards socialism, utopian cults or dictature of minorities. Soviet regime is a branchild of European Social Democracy and it's pathetic how they are trying to frame the victims of this crime for it. Just ask all these young people from Italy, Spain or Seattle why so many hammer-and-sickles.
- mopsi 3y ago
  I didn't know that "LGBT socialist from California" were the people giving ~70% approval ratings to mass murderers like Stalin in Russian domestic polls and erecting monuments to Lenin in occupied parts of Ukraine.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    As Stalin himself has said, "never ask who is doing the voting, ask who is doing the counting". Most Russian people do not care that much about Stalin since it's all too old and they care much more about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who are much more recent butchers of Russia. Some people do, but then again, some Italians, French and US campuses also give a lot of shits about people like Trotsky. An absolute majority of humanity are politically clueless, and the worst of them are also opinionated.
    - mopsi 3y ago
      Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Russian crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Russian control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Russians have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. But why should any Russian approve Stalin, spew the same toxic imperialistic view of the world in many different forms like supporting the genocidal war against Ukraine remains a mystery. Germans are not holding military parades under swastikas, erecting monuments to their Führer, telling Jews that Germans suffered the most, harassing and shutting down Holocaust researchers and threatening rest of Europe that if they don't do as told, "we'll repeat it". In the end, by not taking responsibility for your past and present actions like Germans have done, you will simply live shorter and poorer lives than other peoples of Europe, making endless excuses for your own suffering and the suffering inflicted upon others, while leaders are robbing you blind and partying on megayachts. My hope is that this degenerate russki mir will never reach me.
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        > Spaniards and Italians, not to mention teenagers in Seattle, have no personal connection with Soviet crimes and their ignorance is understandable. They have never lived under Soviet control and have no real concept of what it means in practical terms. Soviets have not extinguished entire branches of their family trees. There, I've fixed it for you. But even then, it's not the only game in town. "Democrats" (Yeltsin's band of US loving nomenclature and friends) practically killed or dispersed just as many people as Stalin & company did. There's a very significant number of monuments devoted to tragedies of Soviet period, in Russia. I'm not even sure Germany would match that. I believe their general approach was to pretend that nothing happened between 1933 and 1945. In short, stop trying to confront other people on their history and first confront yourself on your own history. Which would be?..

fellin 3y ago

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