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It's the risk of attack through a sidechannel, the ability to install something on your phone, not just through leaving your phone attended, but social engineer

It's the risk of attack through a sidechannel, the ability to install something on your phone, not just through leaving your phone attended, but social engineering etc. As an example of where your android example is worrying, stalker apps are currently only available for Android. I was always of the opinion that if you didn't like the walled garden, don't buy apple. That's also a choice. It looks like this was a successful startegy on apple's part, and people want to muscle in.

nolok 3y ago
What you're saying is "If you don't like the walled garden, don't buy john deere", essentially. When a product start becoming such an important part of its owner life, and has such a huge market share, I believe society should impose some rules on it to ensure it conforms with the ideals of said society. In this case, ability to be in control your non niche computing device. So I think this is a case where we must agree to disagree.
- secretsatan 3y ago
  `When a product start becoming such an important part of its owner life, and has such a huge market share, I believe society should impose some rules on it to ensure it conforms with the ideals of said society. In this case, ability to be in control your non niche computing device.` But people buy them because of the restriction that you don't like. you're imposing your own standard on something you probably wouldn't even buy. I doubt most users give one single thought to rooting their phone
  - nolok 3y ago
    > But people buy them because of the restriction that you don't like You will need a source that people buy them because of the restriction. > you're imposing your own standard No, our EU society has done so, through our elected parliament. > I doubt most users give one single thought to rooting their phone This subject has nothing to do with rooting a phone.
    - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
      I do. There you go. Now you can argue with more nuance than “users are being held hostage!”
      - nolok 3y ago
        Yes you do, and others do not, which is why my point was society at large while you said "users". I did not say nor imply what you put in quote, you chose to read that which is different.
  - Hamuko 3y ago
    "Because" or "despite"? Because I don't remember anyone ever saying that they prefer iOS because it only has Safari on it.

nolok 3y ago

What you're saying is "If you don't like the walled garden, don't buy john deere", essentially. When a product start becoming such an important part of its owner life, and has such a huge market share, I believe society should impose some rules on it to ensure it conforms with the ideals of said society. In this case, ability to be in control your non niche computing device. So I think this is a case where we must agree to disagree.

secretsatan 3y ago
`When a product start becoming such an important part of its owner life, and has such a huge market share, I believe society should impose some rules on it to ensure it conforms with the ideals of said society. In this case, ability to be in control your non niche computing device.` But people buy them because of the restriction that you don't like. you're imposing your own standard on something you probably wouldn't even buy. I doubt most users give one single thought to rooting their phone
- nolok 3y ago
  > But people buy them because of the restriction that you don't like You will need a source that people buy them because of the restriction. > you're imposing your own standard No, our EU society has done so, through our elected parliament. > I doubt most users give one single thought to rooting their phone This subject has nothing to do with rooting a phone.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
    I do. There you go. Now you can argue with more nuance than “users are being held hostage!”
    - nolok 3y ago
      Yes you do, and others do not, which is why my point was society at large while you said "users". I did not say nor imply what you put in quote, you chose to read that which is different.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  "Because" or "despite"? Because I don't remember anyone ever saying that they prefer iOS because it only has Safari on it.